There will not be a beta for Flash Professional CS5

Adobe is no longer planning to release a public beta of Adobe Flash Professional CS5. This is a change from the plan that we announced in October at Adobe MAX 2009.

Since the original announcement we have seen a ton of interest in Flash Professional CS5 and the included Packager for iPhone. Developers in the pre-release program continue to provide great feedback and take advantage of the new features. We’ve also seen a number of new applications built using ActionScript 3 and delivered to the App Store.

We are changing our plans in reaction to this strong positive feedback. We want to make sure that we can provide the earliest possible delivery of the final software to the large number of designers and developers interested in Flash Professional CS5 and the included Packager for iPhone.

We understand that some people will be disappointed. Many of us were looking forward to a beta. But in the end, we think that what is most important is to get the release version completed and in your hands as quickly as possible.

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  1. Well, it’s good to hear that we will see the final version sooner. Too bad we couldn’t have had a “beta gift” for Christmas/(insert your holiday here). :-(

    iBrent

  2. Sad to hear it… I’ve been looking forward to this since MAX2009… at least we still have Avatar ;)

  3. Dont promise what you will not deliver.. even if it was buggy I wanted to check the FlashCS5, well at

  4. @Tom same here, I’ve been looking forward to it. But if they want to get it ready for final release, then I guess I’ll have to wait. Good thing I had no project waiting on it (can you hear the sarcasm!) Oh well I look forward to it none the less.

  5. Little disappointed, it gives those limited few with access to the pre-release program further competitive advantage :-(

  6. Really sad, but it’s better to release a stable version to don’t create panic and bad spectates about the software by using it on a buggy version.

    Waiting the Release Candidates.

  7. Beta testing is unlikely to delay the final release of software unless it reveals issues that warrant delay. Why doesn’t Adobe focus on quality instead of hasty release schedules for a change?

  8. I have to agree with Anon, it’s really unfair to those of us not in the pre-release program. I keep seeing all you Adobe Evangelists proclaiming the awesomeness of CS5, and announcing all the cool apps you’ve submitted to the App store. Meanwhile, we get to sit idly by, losing money and getting it rubbed in our noses.

    Come on Adobe, just release a beta. Be fair about it, or quit talking it up.

    iBrent

  9. so….i think i get it.

    the public beta will be postponed and renamed ‘the release version’.

  10. I am with Brian on this one. CS4′s initial build had some major bugs which resulted in crashes and a lot of bad PR. I would think they would ramp up the testing… not down.

    That being said, if it is bug free, I don’t care if they beta or not. I just don’t want them to rush it or deliver crap.

  11. I agree with Adobe … I want the full CS5 with the fewest problems possible, don´t care if it takes a a little longer since, I repeat SINCE it comes working WELL.

  12. @ickydime, @Brian — Quality and stability are strong focuses for this release, the team has definitely heard your feedback from CS4 — we won’t compromise on quality or rush the release.

    @ibrent, @anon — If you have a specific application in mind for delivery on the iPhone, send a URL for the SWF to iphone-prelease (at) adobe.com As part of the pre-release we’re trying to get more apps into the App Store, so we’re looking for good content.

  13. I like the idea of getting a full version of CS5 over a beta, but please don’t let the CS5 version be the beta. Meaning buggy as hell. Put as many developers on this as you can to give us a polished version please.

  14. This is the worst news I’ve heard all year. Since it isn’t going to be a public beta, how can I get myself on the Private beta list?

  15. I am also very let down by this news. I am excited to get the next release I just think that it was crappy to get our hopes up and then not deliver! Next time if you think it at all possible to not do it, don’t announce it.

  16. I agree with iBrent and the others.

    There is now an advantage had by the few ‘insiders’. Verys sad and a poor decision by Adobe. Shows real lack of judgement.

    I suppose that with no beta testing there will be bugs and issues in the final. It can not be as bad as CS4 was though (can it?).

    I wish to be proven wrong. I hope to be proven wrong. Somehow I can see CS5 being a SSLLOOWW resource hungry app with bugs. Please, please prove me wrong.

  17. Totally agree with Brian and iBrent. You get valuable feedback from an early release and especially from a community that big. I do not want the shitty CS4 experience like last time, hear me ADOBE, I do NOT want that.

  18. “We understand that some people will be disappointed.”

    An understatement. While I understand the time and overhead that beta programs involve, I also appreciate the incredible value they provide.

    While I don’t wish to contribute to rumor or blind speculation, something just doesn’t add up in this statement.

  19. :( was looking forward to it. I am not inclined at the moment to learn Objective C – Was looking forward to using AS3 for the iPhone.

  20. That’s alright, Adobe won’t release the beta, but Demonoid and ThePirateBay will….. Patience…

  21. This is the second worst decision I have ever seen Adobe make.

    The first was excluding Flash from the CS4 public beta circuit.

    How does a corporation as large and influential in user interface design expect to continue to thrive when they continuously skip THE MOST VITAL PART of the application development process.

    Public beta releases = less bugs = greater customer satisfaction = higher sales

    Private prereleases = smaller and pointed testing community = more bugs = lower customer satisfaction = lower sales.

    I for one have been anxiously awaiting the CS5 beta since the day it was announced. Now I have to wait LONGER to see and play with CS5.

    Very poor decision Adobe, very poor decision!

  22. I hope so @Adrian. CS4 was a big disappointment. Please fix the 100x slowdowns with large animation projects. I would rather see a “snow leopard” version of flash than more buggy features. Please, TAKE YOUR TIME.

  23. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON !

  24. Also, why is it that strong positive feedback means that people need to wait longer?

    The promise of a faster final release is still a push-back of the already highly anticipated beta release date.

    And @Adrian – You say that there will be no rushing of the release, but the entire point of this post was saying “Hey, we’re going to rush the release, and putting out a beta will only slow us down”

  25. I don’t see how saying “quality and stability are strong focuses for this release” explains why a public beta version is not being released. How does not releasing a public beta help speedup the release of the final version? How does not releasing a public beta make the final version more stable and of higher quality? Seems like it would be the other way around to me.

    It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to not get a public beta if there was a reasonable explanation for why. But this explanation is just lame.

  26. Public betas are normally released near the end of the SDLC to gain adoption of the software and occassionally bring out those pesky bugs not normally found by “alpha” proffessional testers. It’s normally the public testers that click that button one too many times and break things.

    I must say I’m confused how a beta release could slow down a final release? The only thing that would cause that is the exposure of unknown bugs, however I would have thought that to be a good thing?

    I understand that even the best software house will release a product with known bugs (hopefully no higher than severity 3), but this reasoning has me perplexed.

    Here’s hoping the product lives up to what it says.

  27. i understand you have to postpone, but having a beta version was a great idea to test it out event if it had to be postponed. now what? wait for the final product. just not honest.

  28. @Adrian, actually that’s not a bad idea. I can just send you my swfs that I’d like to submit to the app store.

    Now I’ll be working on my iPhone apps over the holiday break, so if you can make sure that someone is there to compile the app for me, and then get it back to me so I can debug it, that’d be great. Of course, the faster you can get the builds back, the better chance I’ll get to debug the apps. I’ll be working all hours of the night, even on Christmas, so I’d appreciate having a quick response while I get my apps together.

    Thanks,

    iBrent

  29. I’m disappointed that they are going to rush the release by skipping a beta. Microsoft learned something valuable with Windows 7 beta’s, why not Adobe?

    As it is, it seems that “Flash” has been drifting farther and farther from it’s original core of being a vector graphics animation tool, to becoming a redundant general purpose video player. Flash does not do “programming” well, nor does it do animation well anymore. Where’s the improvements to take advantage of 3D hardware in the vector rendering?

    Will we get a 64bit version?

    If Adobe releases Flash CS5 and it’s nothing more than CS4 with “Look new iPhone packager” I’m not buying CS5, because although iPhone targeting is on my list, I already have when I need written in OBJ C and can not justify spending money just to have to retool crappy drag-and-drop garbage my clients send me.

  30. I agree, I would hope the public beta helped to find bugs sooner. Flash CS4 is a bit of a mess still, on a project I am finishing up we have to goto a particular point in a movieclip timeline that has a mask and just manually scrub the timeline before publishing, or the publish does not include the masking. So many weird bugs in CS4….

  31. Oh, and one more thing. I’ll need access to the new Flash Player 10.1 and AIR 2.0 API’s that work on the iPhone. That way I can take full advantage of the new multi-touch features.

    Thanks,

    iBrent

  32. @Adrian Ludwig — Quality and stability are strong focuses for this release, the team has definitely heard your feedback from CS4 — we won’t compromise on quality or rush the release.

    You gotta be kidding. We won’t rush, but we’ll shortcut the entire beta process…you realize how ignorant you sound there, right?

    I’ll stay away from purchase until the first reports about updates start rolling in.

  33. At least Adobe can release the AS3 API documentation for the Iphone so others of the “not so blessed to have been included in the pre-release-beta” can start catching up to the developers that have had access to that info.

  34. I am mostly interested in the different ways to interface like using the Accelerometer … And the iPhone is my primary target device … I was going to start this month with CS5 beta but now I can spend the time I was going to test with CS5 learning more about Objective C and how to create it in its native language. At least this way I will save the money I was going to spend on CS5 when it dose come out. I could always just spend it on MonoTouch if Objective C becomes too cumbersome. The beta would have been nice but I’m probably the only one in this situation. I still love adobe products I just feel like they are missing the boat not releasing a beta and forcing developers to competing technologies.

  35. It’s really disheartening to be led on by a software company about products and releases. Just don’t promise something you can’t deliver. We’re a small shop without capabilities to program for the iPhone, but with clients who want to extend their current projects with us to include that as a platform. It is a really large competitive advantage to companies who get their hands on CS5 to be able to do this. I am excited about the next release, but to talk it up, make a big announcement, have the message on labs for months, and then not come through is a letdown. It’s not like we’re going to walk away from Adobe products or anything, but as little guys, we can use all the help we can get.

    @ibrent,
    We’ll also need the Flash debug player for 10.1 since that hasn’t been released yet either.

  36. Very disappointed in no beta but I understand that you don’t want to release a buggy version and people complain about it, but would have enjoyed the private beta being expanded to more people. Knowing the stipulation that it is buggy of course. Looking forward to the true release and hope it is soon!

  37. “we think that what is most important is to get the release version completed and in your hands as quickly as possible”

    Basically they want to rush it out the door for the iPhone market and it will be crammed with bugs because they didnt take they’re time.

    Whatever

  38. @Bruce,

    Good point. It’d be nice if they had some sort of IDE or something we could use, saving us time and Adobe’s time in creating these apps. Oh wait! ;-P

    iBrent

  39. I bet Adobe never planned on releasing the Public Beta right now, but they really wanted to get the “HYPE” going for it since Max was going on.

    You don’t just change such a huge and important announcement (THE BIGGEST ANNOUNCEMENT AT MAX, I would say) out of nowhere…this has been known about for a while.

  40. Disagree with this strongly. Public betas mean better quality final releases. You know that. We all know that Flash has had some quite buggy releases in the past, and that you rarely put out more than one bugfix release. Put off the profits for a few months and give your customers a chance to help you make a successful product.

  41. yay for having a buggy pice of $hit final product. without a beta the final product is going to be low quality. maybe ill wait tell flash cs6 >.

  42. this doesnt make any sence. In what way the release of a beta would harm the stabillity of the full release?
    The oposite should be the case. Adobe would get more feedback with the release of a beta that should help the the full version to be more stable.
    I really dont get it.

  43. How can I get added to the Flash pre-release program? I’m already on the Flex, Catalytst, Photoshop, Illustrator and Fireworks pre-release program. Is there somewhere on the pre-release site I can go to join the Flash pre-release?

  44. At first I was bummed about this. But when I think about it they do have a point. This is probably going to be the most important release of Flash ever (from a competitive standpoint). If they don’t get it right, meaning not buggy out of the gate, this could doom Flash. If it’s buggy, CSS 3 – HTML 5 – AJAX will win. I think Adobe realizes this and are aware that they need to focus on a stable and quality initial release.

  45. I think flash is repeating Apple Mistake , which made Google take that chance to push android in front , when you have product that become so popular and people want it , you must give them what they have been waiting for or believe me half or more desigers and developer will loose interest and berhapse Move to Android , the more you delay the more you dim the lights of surprise to become disappointment , Perhapse Google I have read A blog on the net saying I doubt it that Adobe will release CS5 as beta on time promised , they are known for such change of plan and delays , Iphone is wonderfull gadget by annovation But Google took the chance and reannovated it and now it is compeeting with Iphone , what would affected Adobe if they told every body “we are realsing CS5 ” and give Specific date, at least to let them look at the end road instead of letting them still look into circle drive , they will turn and might leave.

  46. You could always try out Corona (http://www.anscamobile.com) a very good competitive solution. Lua based, more comparable to AS2 than AS3 and get this, 300K runtime, rather than 10MB for CS5 iPhone plus 24 frames per seconds rather than the six or eight you are getting in CS5

  47. I think there’s a simple reason they’re doing this.

    If they release a free beta, there will be a flood of poorly made apps for the iPhone. Given Apple’s random app approval process, quite a few of them will end up in the iTunes app store, and Flash CS5 will be blamed. Just like Flash still gets blamed for intro screens and terrible site design.

    Adobe wants avoid a PR nightmare. They’re going to keep the beta restricted to professionals they can trust to do good work, and they’re going to showcase that work.

  48. I think it would be nice if a public beta would be postponed instead of fully cancelled but i think its the best for everyone when Adobe puts the saved time into making CS5 as good as they can.

  49. That is the way Adobe is trying to say that Packager for iPhone is cancelled (hence, no beta), because Apple agreed to include Flash Player 10.0 in the next iPhone update? Am I asking too much for Christmas?

  50. @james:
    “They are still releasing a beta, only now it’ll cost you $1000 to participate…”

    so true…. adobe is driven by marketing not innovation.
    pump up the hype, release early, release often, make people pay for the privilege to be on the “commercial beta team”,
    lather, rinse, repeat…

    btw. I want my tools oriented creative suite now, not the over-hyped format-centric ecosystem of buggy apps – guess I have to wait for
    a CS X ;)

  51. using flash to build native iphone apps will be a step to even greater content. with apple’s app quality test there will be very good applications. lets just wait.

  52. It sounds like a really bad excuse to say that you are not releasing beta because you want a better final version. Heck, the beta would have helped you to have a more bug free final version.

    Not good at all.

  53. Augh, what a complete joke.

    I’m curious, what does Adobe have to say to the people like myself who shelled money out of their pockets to sign up for the iPhone Developer Program solely to use it with Flash CS5? It’s paid by the year, and now I’ll have mine sitting there for months, just wasting my money on something I THOUGHT I was going to be able to at least experiment with, based on Adobe’s GUARANTEE that they decided not to deliver on.

    Oh yeah, and unless you think your userbase is full of fools, then you are aware that everyone knows that most likely Adobe simply failed to make the date they guaranteed the beta by, so they decided to scrap it instead of looking silly (but instead now they look gutless AND silly). Or, there was never going to be a beta, and Adobe just wanted to generate hype.

    Either way, this makes me think MUCH less of Adobe as a company and I feel like a complete idiot for touting this release to all my friends. But this time it wasn’t my fault, taking the company for their word, if I ever do it again, then it is from my stupidity.

  54. This doesn’t seem to make sense in any way I look at it.

    The beta exists already (it’s just for a limited set of people in the pre-release program), so there’s no additional time for the beta release preparations etc.

    Perhaps Adobe just doesn’t have the balls to admit, that they don’t want the app store to be flooded with poorly performing and buggy apps the day the beta is out… until they get the iPhone packager right.

  55. Well, I made a comment on here about the reasons for Adobe’s decision and they deleted it… Looks like I may have been bang on the money.

    Shame on you.

  56. Thanks for the info Adrian. I wondered if you could address Brian Sexton’s comment…

    “Beta testing is unlikely to delay the final release of software unless it reveals issues that warrant delay”

    Can you give some info on how releasing a beta product slows down a final release, other than fixing serious bugs that weren’t found by private testers?

  57. I wish there was a mechanism for advanced developers to get access to the beta (I’ve tried several times to apply for the beta programme without success).

    I’ve been developing for flash platform since 1997 (yes, flash2) and I’ve won 4 Site of the Day awards for “crazy” stuff like emulating advanced math on Flash4. I wrote the only real AS3 chess engine (http://www.flashchess3.com) that’s been included with Google Chrome OS demo.

    And yet I’ve never been “l337″ enough to qualify for Flash beta… I was really looking up to test CS5 and find new ways to push the envelope further.

  58. Rephrasing:

    Due to strong feedback of people wanting to try CS5, we aren’t going to let you see it, and instead wait til we can charge you for it.

  59. How does not releasing a beta accelerate development?
    I think what you mean to say is we’re going to charge $600 for the beta and call it a release version as with CS4?

    I couldn’t use Flash CS4 for production until several months after I purchased it (as part of Masters Collection), because of critical errors. Another episode like that would definately make me more likely to switch to “other platforms” even after 10 years with Flash as primary income.

    Please Adobe, listen to the community, release a beta and get things fixed BEFORE shipping the “final” product this time round.

  60. See that this decision is really a bad decision, and the official version of flash CS4 as bad. Over the past year, flash CS4 let my work is very painful, extraordinary collapse. Took far too expensive to pay off that cut into my work. Is adobe did not know before the release of a beat version of the test. flash will not be so bad as they are now. Do you not see the number of flash users worldwide scolded CS4. Is it also allows CS5 along the same path? I think that this is not the adobe style!
    If you like the next version of CS4 so bad, I will consider buying again, the problem!

  61. Total B.S. So because there’s excitement, you rush an untested product to market faster? So now you don’t get the benefit of a wider user base reporting bugs, incorporating fixes/resolving issues so that you can release a QUALITY product? So now we’re all essentially public beta testers for CS 6 – except we PAY for it. Smooth move, Adobe.

  62. Everyone now had to pay to be a beta tester. It is expected of you by Adobe. They can and will do this. Not one person can do anything about it.

    1) You will buy Flash CS5 when it is released
    2) It is irrelevant wether there are bugs or not
    3) Customers ARE beta testers in Adobe’s eyes

    Very sad, but true. They are so big they can treat customers however they wish. You WILL still buy CS5 on day one of release. Of course you will…

  63. That seriously sucks. Been looking foward to this beta. It sucks to be dissapointed at the last minute

  64. Pure speculation, but Adobe would not want to take such a massive hit to their credibility unless there was a very good reason. Maybe Apple is involved with this decision to cancel the public beta. Maybe Adobe used the public beta as a threat to Apple and now Apple has conceded Flash on iPhone. Maybe Apple paid Adobe not to hold the public beta. Heck, maybe Apple bought Adobe… I don’t know but something doesn’t add up.

  65. Lets all just pirate the beta now… someone will crack it… its not that hard…
    screw adobe, i bet apple said no to this, so now they’re trying to delay it to come up with an excuse to not include the iphone part…

    ADODE LISTEN! If you promise something, DO IT! You lied, I hope CS5 sells 0 copies!

  66. The statement is ludicrous that a public beta would slow down the release. The beta testing which you should have done (with CS4) to ferret out the bugs and false promises like poor cross app performance and disapointing video control would have helped. If you want to protect yourself from unauthorized copies that is one thing that justifies your actions but tell the truth.
    Your credibility after CS4 Flash Pro is already hurting. The little magic tricks you did for our user group from AFX to FLASH were more slight of hand than useful. I am going to tell our people not to invite yoou back as it is just anoher marketing ploy not a teaching session.
    You are going to release this in spring with the suite so how does this move anything up. At least Photoshop will now have painter in it ..that’s the kind of innovation you should have. They deliver every year.

  67. The irony is that it will now be several months before we have our hands on the iPhone tech, so it will take even longer for the trailblazers to prime the pumps and get the apps flowing. This decision will delay adoption rates significantly.

  68. In order to get the program into our hands adobe will forego a beta testing, I sure hope they know what they’re doing…. In response I shall be cracking this version so I don’t get screwed over by badly tested products.

  69. What an absolute snow job, there is more to it than we think. Well I will just have to carry on making my apps in x-code and prepare what I can in CS4 to move into CS5 as soon as possible.

    BUT I am veeeeeery disappointed

  70. Its obvious what they are trying to do, they dont want all the little crackers getting their hands on it like they did with CS4.

    No beta = less time for ppl to crack CS5 when it is released which will also mean more ppl will by it from adobe instead of getting it from piratebay etc.

  71. It’s Adobe. Is anyone really that surprised?!
    Oh well, looks like I am going to Corona (anscamobile.com), after all.

  72. 确实很让人失望,让我们这些开发者期待了那么久的FLASH CS5终于跳票了,希望能在明年尽快看到beta版的发布,另外非常感谢你们的辛勤工作,才能让我们这些开发者能够体会到用FLASH和ActionScript开发Iphone应用的乐趣!

  73. Honestly, I don’t care because the earlier release, Iphone packager and better integration with Flash Builder makes up for it.
    Why not start making our fabulous Iphone apps now and get them ready for release as soon as cs5 ships.
    Think positive. Merry christmas.

  74. So ok, the feedback was so overwhelming that some smart guy in the sales department said: “Why give them something for free? Take the money, give out some software with bugs, and run”.
    And the lawyer said:”We need all that money from those buying CS5 – because Apple will definitely try to sue us.” (And heck, they sure will) And the development people said:”Oh, come on – we have such a good relationship with Frank, Pauly, etc… why not give them a little more time to get ahead of this coding-kids out there?” And so everybody is happy. Ok,not those people who bring the money to Adobe in the End. But hey: Who cares…

  75. “In reaction to the very rare bugs in CS4, Adobe is proud to announce that customers buying CS5 will be very proud to detect the very rare bugs of CS5 and proudly wait for a patch.”

  76. How about fixing Flash CS4 first?

    Adobe, show me one good example on the net of anyone who got good results out of the new features from the last version of Flash.

    No one uses the bones tool or deco-brush, just like no one’s going to use the new advanced deco brush to draw trees and building – these gimmicky new features are not worth the slew of bugs that hinder my day to day workflow.

    More and more popular animators are voicing their opinions about Flash, and how Toon Boom Animate is a far superior animation software, and if Adobe continues to treat it’s paying costumers as beta testers, I’ll certainly be switching over to Toon Boom.

  77. Well, the decision stung a bit, to be honest, due to the fact that a bunch of us were salivating at the fact that we were going to sink our teeth at developing for the iPhone along with having a bunch of other cool features, but the fact of the matter is that, personally, I rather have a stable final product than a really buggy beta. Fat Loss 4 Idiots Reviews

  78. We are terribly sorry, but there is nothing we can do about this. I spilled coffee on the harddrive with cs5 on it, and there is no way I am writing that shit again. Thank you.

  79. My enterprise gave a deadline for iphone-application demo to our client based on the beta announcement, Thanks Adobe to make us loose money.

  80. So are you going to be giving those of us who just purchased cs4 a break on the cost?

    This whole thing sure makes me think about dropping flash forever.

  81. I dont like to use the Iphone SDK ..will I as a pc user be able to export to IPA or will I still need to get a Mac?

  82. Another time Adobe does not stand up to its claims. Had really looked forward to it, but now i will look elsewhere – theres no fun in flash anymore anyway…

  83. Will I be able to convert a Flash application that does socket programming using the Packager for iPhone?

  84. Where does Flex fit in this? Will I be able to package Flex apps as well? (Seems pretty natural). For what it’s worth, I’m specifically curious about charting.

    Flex has become my go-to technology for data visualization, but have tried to reproduce some charting in Objective-C (nasty little project… that language is just way too low-level for me). If I can bridge Flex->iPhone …. well that would be powerful.

  85. I am also waiting and want to ask about the possibilities of Flex Packager for IPhone and what features can we use in IPhone.

    For Example

    HttpService, RemoteObject, WebService, Google Map API for Flex etc etc.

    Looking forward and Waiting

    Regards:

    Durrab

  86. Took far too expensive to pay off that cut into my work. Is adobe did not know before the release of a beat version of the test. flash will not be so bad as they are now. Do you not see the number of flash users worldwide scolded CS4.
    Grow Taller 4 Idiots

  87. I keep seeing all you Adobe Evangelists proclaiming the awesomeness of CS5, and announcing all the cool apps you’ve submitted to the App store. Meanwhile, we get to sit idly by, losing money and getting it rubbed in our noses. and I’m disappointed that they are going to rush the release by skipping a beta. Microsoft learned something valuable with Windows 7 beta’s, why not Adobe?
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  88. So now what? Will this really happen? Did Apple make the iPhone packager unusable? I would like to hear what Adobe has to say.

  89. I have a hard time thinking that a final version of a piece of software that is being sold is better off not going through a beta test.

    That doesn’t make alot of sense. Customers are much happier if they get software that isn’t buggy.

    -Joy
    Author of starting a preschool

  90. I have a hard time thinking that a final version of a piece of software that is being sold is better off not going through a beta test.

    That doesn’t make alot of sense. Customers are much happier if they get software that isn’t buggy.

    -Joy
    Author of starting a preschool in your home

  91. This is great news! I love flash professional! I actually love all of Adobe products. This is really great in my opinion.

    Thanks Kristy Taylor
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  92. Flash CS4 is a bit of a mess still, on a project I am finishing up we have to goto a particular point in a movieclip timeline that has a mask and just manually scrub the timeline before publishing, or the publish does not include the masking.
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  95. While I share your opinion of Flash, I think you’re seeing contradictions where there are none. Apple has never said a single word about requiring that Xcode be the single acceptable development environment for iPhone. What they have said is that they will not approve an application that allows the user to load and execute arbitrary code. The ability to play Flash content from the web or some other source is thus off the table. But there’s nothing at all to suggest that a self-contained binary that happened to be built using Flash would be disallowed as long as it conformed to the behavior standards required of apps. Establishing tools and procedures to detect apps built with other tools, and then making their overloaded approval staff use them, would not be cost effective. It’s not really comparable to the Palm situation.
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  96. I really don’t understand any of this. Why are people so hard on flash? Well, it’s because it used to be awesome but the use of javascript skyrocketed with the development of javascript frameworks. Flash is still awesome for creating animations and is one of the easiest programs to use when creating those animations. One thing you’ll notice is that not many websites use flash these days. People have shifted to more traditional use of HTML and CSS as it’s a lot more consistent and easier to use. Anyone else like shark week for discover? It’s on right now and it’s awesome@

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  108. We respect what adobe has decided even though I am disappointed. I expect to try beta first as usual to be applied on some projects. But, never mind, I hope that many strong positive feedback from the other designers and developers interested in Flash Professional CS5 will energize us.
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  110. Apple has never said a single word about requiring that Xcode be the single acceptable development environment for iPhone. What they have said is that they will not approve an application that allows the user to load and execute arbitrary code.

  111. I know it’s frustrating for some people when they’re told that there will be no Beta coming out but we all need a little patience if we want the best from them. I have just been on their site & you can always download the Demo version which is a lot better than a Beta release. Enjoy!

  112. I know it’s frustrating for some people when they’re told that there will be no Beta coming out but we all need a little patience if we want the best from them. I have just been on their site & you can always download the Demo version which is a lot better than a Beta release.

  113. What good is software with great features that falls apart on you every 15 minutes? Keep that QUALITY ASSURANCE, Adobe, especially considering the current economic state.

  114. to tell you the truth, i had been expecting this for quite a long time.And yeah,i know that a lot of people must be disappointed by this announcement.a great product,nevertheless

  115. I keep seeing all you Adobe Evangelists proclaiming the awesomeness of CS5, and announcing all the cool apps you’ve submitted to the App store. Meanwhile, we get to sit idly by, losing money and getting it rubbed in our noses.

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  116. I am an application designer and i design all my applications with adobe flash cs5 with included iphone package. Already the applications started to roll out from our company. So my team leader has told me not to upgrade any beta version in order to provide service to the applications designed using cs5.

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  117. Maybe it’s a good thing they didn’t have a beta, it seems like they got cs5 out so fast… no I just need to decide if it’s worth upgrading =P