Who’s using Express Install?

Just curious if you know of other sites that have started using Express Install to upgrade people to Flash Player 8. The Sony Pictures site EnterTheUnderworld.com is the only non-Adobe (formerly Macromedia) one I know about right now.

43 Responses to Who’s using Express Install?

  1. julian says:

    We are using it on a job we are currently in production on. It won’t launch for another month or so but we have implemented the express install and it works great.

  2. tcs says:

    Been using it for our homepage. Seemed like the best way to push out the new expressiveness, and its worked really well so far except with some users who have the 7 player.

  3. mH says:

    We are using it on http://www.fd3movie.com (the full site will be launching mid jan so be sure to check back later too)

  4. I’ve implemented it in http://www.ceaec.org (so far so good, although not everyone understand the instructions) and did some test at http://clientes.cybermais.net/amadurell/BigVideoTest.html intended to end up in http://www.pcizzi.comUnfortunately, most of pcizzi’s customers’ IT department don’t enable administrator rights to their employees, so they can’t update the flash player and see an ugly error message. :(It would be good if the messages could be internationalized. ;)Other than that, that’s great!!! Good job!!!

  5. We’re using it at http://www.bunchball.com – I watched someone hit Express Install today on Firefox and the installation was pretty quick and painless. Why does it have to add “- Flash Player Installation” after the title of my page though?

  6. Roger says:

    We are using it on http://www.sooff.com from Hong Kong

  7. Eric Snowden says:

    We’re using it on a large record company website http://www.cordless.com. We utilize a ton of the new Flash 8 features on this site and a huge selling point to the client was the Express Install. I don’t think we could have done this site without it.That said, we did run into one issue with Express Install. When some of our internal users (without admin rights) were unable to install Flash 8 on their machines I couldn’t find a way to properly redirect them to a no Flash version. There is error catching if someone cancels out of the install or the install errors, but no error catching for users who are unable to install. Thoughts?Eric

  8. antonin says:

    We’re using it onhttp://www.jeanpaulgaultier.com (perfumes : link at the right) and FEAR web site :http://learn.whatisfear.comOn jpg, we had 50% of the people who did upgrade 50% canceled the operation… The operation is working well on IE, firefox is not so great cause you have to close the browser down after the installation… Otherwise it’s working quite well although you have to have the admin rights of your machine which is often not the case for people working in big companies here in France…

  9. Stéphane says:

    We use it here too http://www.meezmeyer.com/

  10. Jon B says:

    We have used it at work for a few of our clients – mostly just christmas flash things so far. However one thing we really hadn’t consider is that users accessing the net from their office will more than likely not be able to update their flash player because they aren’t adminstrators or power users. When we realised this we had to make the flash for FP6 to be sure they could view it. The update is a great idea, but since the slowest people to update are office bods and generally most offices view flash content of extremely low importance it’s unlikely they’ll update for ages. So two suggestions – one: somehow allow flash to update itself without having to go through the os install process (not likely). two: get FP8 on the windows and apple update sites so that they will be downloaded during general os security updates.Not sure it’s possible, but I was really pleased with the auto update until I realised that many office users wont get it.

  11. Geoff says:

    There’s a few people using it with my FlashObject script… there’s also some pretty good discussion about the best practices involved in implementing ExpressInstall on your site…http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/08/13/using-flash-player-express-install-with-flashobject/

  12. Emmy says:

    This is great! We plan to update the kit for the 8.5 release, so thanks for the links and the feedback.Alexandre — odd. The strings should be localized for several languages, but I’ll check in on in January after the holiday break.Rajat — we actually do shutdown and restart the browser to the page link you tell us to, and part of that solution required us to add “Flash Player Installation” so we know exactly which window to close. Don’t remove that code from the files provided in the kit, or the relaunching stuff isn’t guaranteed to work properly.Eric — good feedback on the admin rights issue. I’m fairly certain it can’t (or rather it doesn’t)provide a call back because the admin rights come in to play with the installer. Once the installer is down and running, you’re essentially out of the auto-update SWF and I don’t believe there is a way to send notifications back to it. But will check with engineering.

  13. Metah says:

    Now I always use the detection kit for my new web project. Working perfectly good and it’s really much more faster to use than the older html redirect + flash System.capabilitiesb tricks.Ex : agence-fouquet.com++

  14. Jack says:

    Uhh maybe you can clear up what is Express install first….

  15. Emmy says:

    Jack,Express Install is a new, in-context way to update your users to the latest version using Flash Player — so you can build content using the latest, greatest features.You can read more in the Detection Kit docs or the DevCenter article which is linked here: http://www.macromedia.com/go/fp_detectionkitOr experience it by first installing Flash Player 7 and visiting this page to get upgraded to v8: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/productinfo/features/best,e

  16. emmy says:

    Ok, some answers post-break.Alexandre — The strings are indeed localized which depends on the os regional setting. I would need more info to see why you aren’t getting localized strings (os, region, screenshot of the error, etc). Can you email it to me offline? ehuang at adobe dot com.Eric — Admin rights and callbacks. I was right — limitation of the current implementation and not a simple problem to solve. But we do have bugs logged against the issue for future players. However, because it wouldn’t be in the existing players in the wild, it would take a while before you could use such a feature.best,e

  17. Nemanja says:

    Since I found Geoff Stearns’s FlashObject I have started using ExpresInstall. FlashObject is superb!http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/10/18/flashobject-turns-1/

  18. Riccardo Bartoli says:

    I’ve used it on all the sites created after Flash 8 release.Only a question: if the ExpressInstaller is inside a popup, the redirect can’t reopen the popup. Any solution?

  19. Chris Anderson says:

    I have the same question as Riccardo Bartoli. Is there a good way to handle using a popup window and express install? Thanks

  20. Julian says:

    Similarly to FlashObject, I recommend UFO ( http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ ), which also has support for the express install feature.

  21. Eric Eagle says:

    Obviously some of you have devised ways to get rid of the “- Flash Player Installation” extension to the page title that remains on my site’s every page for anyone who enters, even with Flash 8 installed (but I see also that some of you have not).I’m just a hack so if anyone could give me an easy to follow way to accomplish getting rid of it, I would be more than grateful. As things stand, all the effort that went into implementing the express install on every page seems to have been in vain if I have to have the page title messed-up.Thanks in advance!EE

  22. Eric Eagle says:

    No one willing to share their experiences on this (title problem described above)? Do you have any tips Emmy?//EE

  23. Davin Dolven says:

    We’re using Express Install on two sites and it works great. However the flash content on one site is in a javascript popup, and as mentioned a couple times above, the user experience is less than ideal (with a new window being opened and the flash in the previous popup displaying a message that tells the visitor to close it). I’m not a fan of javascript popups, but the design of this particular movie requires it. Has anyone come up with a way to target the original popup or open a new one?

  24. Eric Eagle says:

    OK, I found the solution by checking the code on the sooffs page, thanks Roger!The trick was to move the two lines (lines 132 and 133 in the Flash Detection Kit’s Espress Install script):document.title = document.title.slice(0, 47) + ” – Flash Player Installation”;var MMdoctitle = document.title;Down to directly below the line (line 136 in the Flash Detection Kit’s Express Install script):if ( hasProductInstall && !hasReqestedVersion ) {Now that is pretty logical when you consider what it does, but like I said I’m just a hack and I would have thought Adobe/Macromedia would have thought of this when the release the Detection Kit.Unless there is a really good reason for not doing it this way (I have not been able to see any negative effects during my testing), I think it’s a pretty embarrassing oversight, one that has caused a lot of users, like for instance Alexandre and Rajat above.It’s not professional to get the “- Flash Player Installation” title for people with Flash 8 who enter your siten and who might add it to favorites and such, so I think this is pretty major.Regards,//EE

  25. Eric Eagle says:

    Sorry, I was in a rush writing that, here is a more readable version:OK, I found the solution by checking the code on the sooffs page, thanks Roger!The trick was to move the two lines (lines 132 and 133 in the Flash Detection Kit’s Espress Install script):document.title = document.title.slice(0, 47) + ” – Flash Player Installation”;var MMdoctitle = document.title;Down to directly below the line (line 136 in the Flash Detection Kit’s Express Install script):if ( hasProductInstall && !hasReqestedVersion ) {Now that is pretty logical when you consider what it does, but like I said I’m just a hack and I would have thought Adobe/Macromedia would have thought of this when the release the Detection Kit.Unless there is a really good reason for not doing it this way (I have not been able to see any negative effects during my testing), I think it’s a pretty embarrassing oversight; one that has caused a lot of users, like for instance Alexandre and Rajat above unnecessary problems.It’s not professional to present the “- Flash Player Installation” title for people with Flash 8 who enter your site and who might add it to favorites and such, so I think this is pretty major.Regards,//EE

  26. emmy says:

    I’ll check with engineering to see if moving these lines would have any impact on the detection kit solution. We would want to make sure it works cross-platform, cross-browser for the use cases developers are interested in.It sounds like there is also a feature request to handle javascript pop-ups with this solution.thanks all for your feedback and input!

  27. Michael Williams says:

    Eric,The solution you present is correct. This has already been fixed internally, and we will be releasing a new detection kit soon with bug fixes such as this one.–Michael

  28. Eric Eagle says:

    OK, thanks, good to know Michael.I have to say it would have been even better if you would have spread the word on this if you already knew it.I just spent two days searching the web for solutions on this (this was one of the pages that led me to) but nowhere did I find an answer. I also went through all the Macromedia/Adobe documentation – and finally decided to remove the express install script from all the pages on my site (and God knows I had spent a lot of time fiddling with implementing EI).After doing that I thought of checking the code on some of the pages that have worked around it, and that’s when I found the solution thanks to Roger’s sooff site (linked on this page). So then more time spent reimplementing Express Install again.Hat’s off to Roger, but what you see above is a good number of hours and $ wasted on something you are telling me you already knew.Now, I understand that you want to test new additions and enhancements before release of an update, but if you know of a major bug that are causing your users to present substandard web solutions, I say it’s your obligation to let people know so they don’t have to waste time the way I did.Look at some of the users here (and I’ve seen a great number more during my searchers) that have implemented your official “best practice” for Flash Detection, how does their pages come across for Flash 8 users with tabbed browsers (that display the full title on the tab), or for all Flash 8 users that add them to their favorites? Not good, that’s how. And it reflects poorly not only on your customer’s sites, but also on your solutions (I for one was very surprised you had released such a sub standard way of doing things as a new great leap forward in Flash Detection and upgrading).As you can see other people asked about it here as well, and other people have obviously spent time working around the problem. So, like I said, finding out that you knew “internally” really makes me quite annoyed.Letting your customers know stuff like this (easy to implement obvious bug-fixes that make or brake implementation) is exactly what the web is great for.Written by someone still irritated from days of useless work.Regards,//EE

  29. Sean P. says:

    I’ve implemented the Express install kit. Worked great until I had to implement the oject.js file due to the recent IE update. How can I use both. I need Adobe to publish the “Best practices for Flash Detection + Object.js” tutorial (source code preferred) like yesterday. So far, I’ve only found one example of how to do it. However the example I’ve found is crappy. PLEASE HELP.

  30. emmy says:

    Hi Sean,We do plan to release an updated Detection Kit that works with the new IE update. I’ll post to my blog when it is ready, but it will also be linked from the Active Content Developer Center [http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent] when it is ready.best,e

  31. Rus Miller says:

    I spent the last 7 hours attempting to implement Express Install using Geoff Stearns’s excellent SWObject method. It wasn’t working for me and I found a comment buried deep in Geoff’s blog from you saying that there were migration issues:http://blog.deconcept.com/2006/04/24/swfobject-nee-flashobject-1-4-released#comment-6568It would be great if this information were made public. I’ve been searching everywhere for an answer as to why my project wasn’t working. *Nothing* on MM/Adobe, not even on your blog.Can you tell us the status of this issue and, more importantly, when you think it’ll be resolved?

  32. emmy says:

    Hi Rus,The issue with Express Install and the server migration was quickly resolved (about 3 hours later). So, I am not certain if that is what is causing your issue.Geoff has an excellent forum that you can subscribe to for issues with SWFObject. If you have more specific details on what exactly was not working with Express Install, I may be able to better answer your query.best,Emmy

  33. Abdul Qabiz says:

    I am trying to do express install using SWFObject for Flash Player 9. Seems, on IE its broken because it still points to old (maelstrom) link…Has this issue been resolved?-abdul

  34. jonathan says:

    Hi everyone!i have a problem and i think it’s caused by the fact i’m embedding the flash file with this SWFObject.I have a site that is launched in a popup window, but i cannot get flash to close the popup window through javascript, why?? any help??cheers in advance

  35. jonathan says:

    Fixed….thanks anyway.Jonathan.

  36. Express Install is working fine for me in Firefox. But in Internet Explorer it seems too involved. When the Flash Player 7 is installed in IE and I go to the site I only have the option to go directly to Adobe, download the plugin, then click the yellow Active X box at the top of the screen. At this time I’m still looking at the Adobe site. In firefox the playerProductInstall.swf pops up, contacts adobe, installs the plugin and returns me to my page. Is there a workaround for IE that will allow me to be redirected to my site after installation instead of staying on the Adobe site?-Troy

  37. siva says:

    how to make swfobject expressinstall work in flex 2 applications?is html template provided by adobe is the way to go or can this be done using swfobject?

  38. Roxwell says:

    DETECT EXPRESS INSTALL V1.5 – PROBLEMS WITH LATEST FIREFOXHi I’ve just installed the the latest Flash Player Detection – Express InstallIn the latest firefox it won’t pull in the specified swf file.Works fine in IE -Can anyone help?

  39. I realize this is an old post, but there is one fairly recent comment, so here goes…Are there any plans to allow developers to customize the Express Install experience? At least a low level API would be nice to control the background color, along with any onComplete messages. Right now it’s just that bland gray and a textbox that scales to fit the height/wight of the original movie. In it’s current implementation it is kind of jarring and an unpleasant first impression for a website that happens designed for a full screen (100% x 100%) experience.

  40. Joel K. says:

    I totally agree with Jason. If there is an element in flash that the user will see, be in any element, customization of that element would be nice. It’s helps us designers and developers keep things looking at least somewhat seamless.

  41. Phil says:

    @ Jonathancould you please tell me how you fixed the problem?i have same problems with my prototype and no idea how get it run.

  42. James Printer says:

    ExpressInstall has helped me big time.

  43. Paradies says:

    I was asked to install Flash to see a Flash Application. So i downloaded Flash from the default website as an tar.gz file because i used Linux (Debian). If I want to install this setup it told me that it can’t find firefox or anything else, but it was all successfully installed on my system. Why did the setup can’t find the components which were used? Although I had downloaded the tar.gz file.