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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Aperture war&#8221;?  Gimme a break.</title>
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		<title>By: Kipp Weirich</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Weirich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The truth in most discussions lies somewhere in the middle....it&#039;s not Mac persecution...but they are our major competitor...And if you are naive enough to believe that &quot;omigosh....Adobe would NEVER do anything to hinder Apple...Thats how business is built in the capitalist world...gimme a break....all the rest is blah,blah
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth in most discussions lies somewhere in the middle&#8230;.it&#8217;s not Mac persecution&#8230;but they are our major competitor&#8230;And if you are naive enough to believe that &#8220;omigosh&#8230;.Adobe would NEVER do anything to hinder Apple&#8230;Thats how business is built in the capitalist world&#8230;gimme a break&#8230;.all the rest is blah,blah</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1166</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m using CS2 on a Mac Pro. And sure, it&#039;s not as fast as it is on a Quad G5 I used for a few months (and then handed off to my co-worker) but it&#039;s plenty fast for what I do for now.
Still, I&#039;m anxiously awaiting all sorts of news about CS3. Like, do I have to give up on GoLive and go Dreamweaver to get the latest coolness?
Why buy Acrobat Pro 8 now when I&#039;m getting it again in CS3?
&lt;i&gt;[Let me see what info I can scare up.  I&#039;m sure some answers are available, but working in a big company means they&#039;re not always at your fingertips.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
Where&#039;s the Easter eggs? ;D
&lt;i&gt;[Ah, see, if we told you, wouldn&#039;t that ruin the fun? ;-)  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using CS2 on a Mac Pro. And sure, it&#8217;s not as fast as it is on a Quad G5 I used for a few months (and then handed off to my co-worker) but it&#8217;s plenty fast for what I do for now.<br />
Still, I&#8217;m anxiously awaiting all sorts of news about CS3. Like, do I have to give up on GoLive and go Dreamweaver to get the latest coolness?<br />
Why buy Acrobat Pro 8 now when I&#8217;m getting it again in CS3?<br />
<i>[Let me see what info I can scare up.  I'm sure some answers are available, but working in a big company means they're not always at your fingertips.  --J.]</i><br />
Where&#8217;s the Easter eggs? ;D<br />
<i>[Ah, see, if we told you, wouldn't that ruin the fun? ;-)  --J.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: confused</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator>confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that half the contributors here on this site are either other Adobe folks (promoting their own blogs) or Adobe affiliates of some sort So of course the kind of self- congratulatory rhetoric I&#039;m reading here is to be expected.
Please Stop putting down loyal Mac customers, who feel they may have a right to be aggrieved.
&lt;i&gt;[Taking the time to give some insight into how Adobe and Apple work together = putting down loyal Mac customers... Gotcha.  You&#039;ve got a serious persecution complex, dude.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
Most commenters clearly haven&#039;t read the article discussed and yet, are at the same time stupid enough to shoot from the hip in their comments and - believe everything either Apple or Adobe reps say. Of course Apple isn&#039;t going to say it has a photoshop killer - doah ! - Steve Jobs would hang them outside the gates of the Infinite Loop in a gibbet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that half the contributors here on this site are either other Adobe folks (promoting their own blogs) or Adobe affiliates of some sort So of course the kind of self- congratulatory rhetoric I&#8217;m reading here is to be expected.<br />
Please Stop putting down loyal Mac customers, who feel they may have a right to be aggrieved.<br />
<i>[Taking the time to give some insight into how Adobe and Apple work together = putting down loyal Mac customers... Gotcha.  You've got a serious persecution complex, dude.  --J.]</i><br />
Most commenters clearly haven&#8217;t read the article discussed and yet, are at the same time stupid enough to shoot from the hip in their comments and &#8211; believe everything either Apple or Adobe reps say. Of course Apple isn&#8217;t going to say it has a photoshop killer &#8211; doah ! &#8211; Steve Jobs would hang them outside the gates of the Infinite Loop in a gibbet.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For people who use Apple and Adobe software every day for many hours of that day, it&#039;s a really great thing that there are two companies producing solid and revolutionary software year in, year out. Anyone who has ever done any programming will know what an extra-ordinary job the developers at Adobe and Apple do in the time frames they do it in. Only a brat can&#039;t wait till Christmas.
&lt;i&gt;[Thanks for the kind words, Patrick.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For people who use Apple and Adobe software every day for many hours of that day, it&#8217;s a really great thing that there are two companies producing solid and revolutionary software year in, year out. Anyone who has ever done any programming will know what an extra-ordinary job the developers at Adobe and Apple do in the time frames they do it in. Only a brat can&#8217;t wait till Christmas.<br />
<i>[Thanks for the kind words, Patrick.  --J.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting to note (As a T3 Certified Apple Trainer) that Apple drums it into instructors that Aperture is NOT a Photoshop competitor. So all the Aperture vs Photoshop talk also is a load of bull.
Thanks for clearing it up John - (a few comments ago) Michael doesn&#039;t speak for all Apple users, actually he doesn&#039;t even speak very well for himself!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note (As a T3 Certified Apple Trainer) that Apple drums it into instructors that Aperture is NOT a Photoshop competitor. So all the Aperture vs Photoshop talk also is a load of bull.<br />
Thanks for clearing it up John &#8211; (a few comments ago) Michael doesn&#8217;t speak for all Apple users, actually he doesn&#8217;t even speak very well for himself!</p>
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		<title>By: m0nstermike</title>
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		<dc:creator>m0nstermike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really does read like a stock manipulation attempt -- as does the entire site where the article was published.  Perhaps someone should give the FTC a call...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really does read like a stock manipulation attempt &#8212; as does the entire site where the article was published.  Perhaps someone should give the FTC a call&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We could say the same thing about the PC with Lightroom, we did not see a beta for Windows until 3 and with all due respect for the Adobe team, which seems to be working hard on this one, it was not that good at all, some of us could not even use it until beta 4 because of instability.  I am sure Apple wonders about Lightroom, as it is now, it is not a competitor for Aperture.  Although the LR team has done an amazing job, and beta 4 has really good stuff in it (it runs wicked on Vista), it is not as comprehensive in use as Aperture, it lacks elegance, especially in managing files, good start but it is still at beta 1 on that for my taste. It feels far from a solution still.  Also it seems to have not taken the best of Bridge (colour labels, etc)one hopes and prays it will become a more logical programme, for now, many of us don&#039;t know what it is: a RAW workflow software? (weak at that because of inherent sparseness of file management) a RAW processing unit? (does very good at that) a complete solution? (what do I do with Photoshop then?).  I hope the team keeps the good work, it is promising, but it still far from an RC, a couple of betas far, although corporate arrogance may answer; we like it, WE (who cares what the user thinks) think it is great. We&#039;ll see
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could say the same thing about the PC with Lightroom, we did not see a beta for Windows until 3 and with all due respect for the Adobe team, which seems to be working hard on this one, it was not that good at all, some of us could not even use it until beta 4 because of instability.  I am sure Apple wonders about Lightroom, as it is now, it is not a competitor for Aperture.  Although the LR team has done an amazing job, and beta 4 has really good stuff in it (it runs wicked on Vista), it is not as comprehensive in use as Aperture, it lacks elegance, especially in managing files, good start but it is still at beta 1 on that for my taste. It feels far from a solution still.  Also it seems to have not taken the best of Bridge (colour labels, etc)one hopes and prays it will become a more logical programme, for now, many of us don&#8217;t know what it is: a RAW workflow software? (weak at that because of inherent sparseness of file management) a RAW processing unit? (does very good at that) a complete solution? (what do I do with Photoshop then?).  I hope the team keeps the good work, it is promising, but it still far from an RC, a couple of betas far, although corporate arrogance may answer; we like it, WE (who cares what the user thinks) think it is great. We&#8217;ll see</p>
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		<title>By: BWJones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/10/aperture_war_gimme_a_break.html#comment-1160</link>
		<dc:creator>BWJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We&#039;re a credulous species&lt;/i&gt;
Yeah, GWB got *elected*, right?  :-)
Sorry John, simply could not resist that one.  As to the story, this is what makes corporate support of blogging great.  Most folks in the know understood, but it is something else entirely to hear it direct from the product managers (horses) mouth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We&#8217;re a credulous species</i><br />
Yeah, GWB got *elected*, right?  :-)<br />
Sorry John, simply could not resist that one.  As to the story, this is what makes corporate support of blogging great.  Most folks in the know understood, but it is something else entirely to hear it direct from the product managers (horses) mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get with it dude, we&#039;ve had the universal binary available for months. We just want to piss off Apple for stealing our Premier/Keygrip/FCP team and then our Lightroom team !!
We could have flipped photoshop in weeks - we did it with Carbon (three days remember).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get with it dude, we&#8217;ve had the universal binary available for months. We just want to piss off Apple for stealing our Premier/Keygrip/FCP team and then our Lightroom team !!<br />
We could have flipped photoshop in weeks &#8211; we did it with Carbon (three days remember).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about you stop blogging and get your fscking act together and ship software that runs natively on Intel-based Macs?
How much time do you losers need?
There are other options.  We Mac users are starting to look elsewhere.
&lt;i&gt;[Classy!  I&#039;m sure that A) we&#039;re dragging our feet, and B) your wise words will change our wicked ways!  Thank God the Internet is full of such well-informed  sages.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about you stop blogging and get your fscking act together and ship software that runs natively on Intel-based Macs?<br />
How much time do you losers need?<br />
There are other options.  We Mac users are starting to look elsewhere.<br />
<i>[Classy!  I'm sure that A) we're dragging our feet, and B) your wise words will change our wicked ways!  Thank God the Internet is full of such well-informed  sages.  --J.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Here are a couple of tips for any self-styled business news source...&quot;
But wouldn&#039;t this get in the way of the world domaination plan?
1.  Make up a story in your blog.
2.  Add it to Digg.
3.  ????
4.  Profit.
Thanks for clearing this up. :)
Mike
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here are a couple of tips for any self-styled business news source&#8230;&#8221;<br />
But wouldn&#8217;t this get in the way of the world domaination plan?<br />
1.  Make up a story in your blog.<br />
2.  Add it to Digg.<br />
3.  ????<br />
4.  Profit.<br />
Thanks for clearing this up. :)<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[damn.. better give me a redpill beta with all that nondestructive goodness or i&#039;ll sell my soul for apple&#039;s nextgen shake :o
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn.. better give me a redpill beta with all that nondestructive goodness or i&#8217;ll sell my soul for apple&#8217;s nextgen shake :o</p>
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		<title>By: jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably one of those creeps who spam me with stock quote crap.
&lt;i&gt;[Heh--no doubt.  What&#039;s interesting isn&#039;t that some mouth-breathing teenager (or the journalistic equivalent thereof) made up stories and posted them online.  What&#039;s interesting is the numbef of people appear to have taken those stories at face value.  We&#039;re a credulous species.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably one of those creeps who spam me with stock quote crap.<br />
<i>[Heh--no doubt.  What's interesting isn't that some mouth-breathing teenager (or the journalistic equivalent thereof) made up stories and posted them online.  What's interesting is the numbef of people appear to have taken those stories at face value.  We're a credulous species.  --J.]</i></p>
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