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	<title>Comments on: Safari brings color-managed browsing to Windows</title>
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		<title>By: resim yukle</title>
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		<dc:creator>resim yukle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if you changed your ideas since. jpeg on the web should always be sRGB, anything else is nonsense. As far as I know Safari does not allow one to turn color management off so it makes things more complicated then simpler. For 8 bit images sRGB was the right idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you changed your ideas since. jpeg on the web should always be sRGB, anything else is nonsense. As far as I know Safari does not allow one to turn color management off so it makes things more complicated then simpler. For 8 bit images sRGB was the right idea.</p>
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		<title>By: resim paylas</title>
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		<dc:creator>resim paylas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything for colormanagment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything for colormanagment.</p>
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		<title>By: resimler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4517</link>
		<dc:creator>resimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything for colormanagment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything for colormanagment.</p>
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		<title>By: el-aziz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4516</link>
		<dc:creator>el-aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Adobe
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Adobe</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Jasmin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4515</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Jasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if you changed your ideas since. jpeg on the web should always be sRGB, anything else is nonsense. As far as I know Safari does not allow one to turn color management off so it makes things more complicated then simpler. For 8 bit images sRGB was the right idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you changed your ideas since. jpeg on the web should always be sRGB, anything else is nonsense. As far as I know Safari does not allow one to turn color management off so it makes things more complicated then simpler. For 8 bit images sRGB was the right idea.</p>
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		<title>By: 清拆</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4514</link>
		<dc:creator>清拆</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good grief. Anyone got a link to a website (or a good dead-treed resource) that explains all of this so that a moron can understand it? I have never totally understood this whole subject.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief. Anyone got a link to a website (or a good dead-treed resource) that explains all of this so that a moron can understand it? I have never totally understood this whole subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Yükle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4513</link>
		<dc:creator>Yükle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything  for colormanagment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think in firefox3 , the devolopers not make anything  for colormanagment.</p>
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		<title>By: resim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4512</link>
		<dc:creator>resim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The truth is that Windows browsers are as color-clueless as they come. They simply throw the raw RGB numbers at the screen with no interpretation.
&lt;i&gt;[This really bugs me, frankly, given that for the last few years Microsoft has made a lot of noise about stepping up to improve the world of color management.  That&#039;s great: lots of improvments need to be made, and if they light a competitive fire under all of us, so much the better.  But in the meantime, why does the IE team fail to make what should be a small tweak that could improve the browsing experience for literally tens of millions of people?  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that Windows browsers are as color-clueless as they come. They simply throw the raw RGB numbers at the screen with no interpretation.<br />
<i>[This really bugs me, frankly, given that for the last few years Microsoft has made a lot of noise about stepping up to improve the world of color management.  That's great: lots of improvments need to be made, and if they light a competitive fire under all of us, so much the better.  But in the meantime, why does the IE team fail to make what should be a small tweak that could improve the browsing experience for literally tens of millions of people?  --J.]</i></p>
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		<title>By: hikaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>hikaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Merci du billet...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci du billet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Upton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually monitors are, to some extent, already auto-calibrating on OS X. When OS X boots, ColorSync grabs the color information of your display through the monitor cable and creates a profile on the fly. This is NOT as good as a true hardward calibration but it is a pretty good step - and most people are not even aware it is happening. Granted this is still only on the Mac, Vista still won&#039;t even load monitor calibration curves, it relies on thrid party utilities to do that...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually monitors are, to some extent, already auto-calibrating on OS X. When OS X boots, ColorSync grabs the color information of your display through the monitor cable and creates a profile on the fly. This is NOT as good as a true hardward calibration but it is a pretty good step &#8211; and most people are not even aware it is happening. Granted this is still only on the Mac, Vista still won&#8217;t even load monitor calibration curves, it relies on thrid party utilities to do that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil W</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/06/safari_brings_color_managed_browsing_to_wi.html#comment-4509</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you start relying on embedded profiles you&#039;ll have precisely the problem noted above. Narrowing the scope of the original argument doesn&#039;t help... no one wants people without an Apple browser to see the wrong colours, so I using sRGB is the only way to go for now.
[quote]What does Safari 3 for Windows use as a default profile for an image if it doesn&#039;t find one? On the Mac, Safari 2 and earlier use the monitor profile instead of the W3C standard sRGB.[...] Anybody know what Safari 3 does?[/quote]
That&#039;s almost the right question. Safari 3 for Vista completely ignores the monitor profile... so your untagged image is &quot;wrong&quot;, but so are your tagged ones! Assuming the monitor is calibrated to precisely sRGB is incorrect; but Vista doesn&#039;t just read the profile and correct all colours thrown at the display for some reason. PS does read the monitor profile and so produces correct colour.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you start relying on embedded profiles you&#8217;ll have precisely the problem noted above. Narrowing the scope of the original argument doesn&#8217;t help&#8230; no one wants people without an Apple browser to see the wrong colours, so I using sRGB is the only way to go for now.<br />
[quote]What does Safari 3 for Windows use as a default profile for an image if it doesn&#8217;t find one? On the Mac, Safari 2 and earlier use the monitor profile instead of the W3C standard sRGB.[...] Anybody know what Safari 3 does?[/quote]<br />
That&#8217;s almost the right question. Safari 3 for Vista completely ignores the monitor profile&#8230; so your untagged image is &#8220;wrong&#8221;, but so are your tagged ones! Assuming the monitor is calibrated to precisely sRGB is incorrect; but Vista doesn&#8217;t just read the profile and correct all colours thrown at the display for some reason. PS does read the monitor profile and so produces correct colour.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am using WinXP. I opened my photo web site in FireFox, IE7 and Safari and there isn&#039;t one bit of difference between them. I do have a calibrated system.
John, regarding your &quot;old days&quot; tale of splitting the difference, that was an odd choice considering that 95% of the market could have seen the images just right if you hadn&#039;t &quot;split the difference.&quot;
Regarding MS caring about anything other than green, Apple has been gouging customers with their prices for years. If they hadn&#039;t been so greedy, they would have won the battle of technologies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using WinXP. I opened my photo web site in FireFox, IE7 and Safari and there isn&#8217;t one bit of difference between them. I do have a calibrated system.<br />
John, regarding your &#8220;old days&#8221; tale of splitting the difference, that was an odd choice considering that 95% of the market could have seen the images just right if you hadn&#8217;t &#8220;split the difference.&#8221;<br />
Regarding MS caring about anything other than green, Apple has been gouging customers with their prices for years. If they hadn&#8217;t been so greedy, they would have won the battle of technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce McL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce McL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does Safari 3 for Windows use as a default profile for an image if it doesn&#039;t find one? On the Mac, Safari 2 and earlier use the monitor profile instead of the W3C standard sRGB.
IE 5 on the Mac used sRGB as the default, consequently it was the best browser ever for displaying most (untagged, point and shoot) digital photos. Anybody know what Safari 3 does?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Safari 3 for Windows use as a default profile for an image if it doesn&#8217;t find one? On the Mac, Safari 2 and earlier use the monitor profile instead of the W3C standard sRGB.<br />
IE 5 on the Mac used sRGB as the default, consequently it was the best browser ever for displaying most (untagged, point and shoot) digital photos. Anybody know what Safari 3 does?</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Estarque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Estarque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, couldn&#039;t Adobe ship Adobe Gamma along with Flash Player ? Eye balls are not perfect but it is certainly better than nothing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, couldn&#8217;t Adobe ship Adobe Gamma along with Flash Player ? Eye balls are not perfect but it is certainly better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Dahdah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Dahdah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh please, no. Talk about opening a can of worms. Until now I&#039;ve been so glad that this is a topic I don&#039;t have to worry about, never envying my fellow print colleagues. *sigh*
&lt;i&gt;[The problem has been there, and your designs have been suffering as a result.  The difference is that you no longer have as much justification for putting your head in the sand.  (As I say, I lived in denial about this stuff for years, but it&#039;s not going away, nor should it.)  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, no. Talk about opening a can of worms. Until now I&#8217;ve been so glad that this is a topic I don&#8217;t have to worry about, never envying my fellow print colleagues. *sigh*<br />
<i>[The problem has been there, and your designs have been suffering as a result.  The difference is that you no longer have as much justification for putting your head in the sand.  (As I say, I lived in denial about this stuff for years, but it's not going away, nor should it.)  --J.]</i></p>
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