Comments on: (CS)4 On The Floor!

By: dE

dE — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:46:54 +0000

All pranking that the Adobe customers gives doesn’t matter!

Adobe gets bribed by Microsoft to help the monopoly spread.

So I support Gimp instead and suggest people to quit Adobe products.

By: Shane

Shane — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:20:24 +0000

I think that Adobe should port to Linux to combat Apple’s recent decision to not support Flash on the Mac. Moving adobe to linux would not be about selling more copies of CS5, it’s more about public relations and chipping away at the market share of its competitors. Adobe alone could exponentially increase usage of linux, and could most likely change their business model a bit to make that entirely profitable for them. I think they could actually push linux into critical mass and do tremendously well to secure their technologies from that. In my opinion, good luck to anyone with an expensive OS who wants to shut down flash then… I realize I have a layman’s opinion, but I just want it to be true! :)

I am a Windows 7 user and a flash developer. Most of my friends are flash devs and use either Windows or Mac. I finally got them to install ubuntu on their old machines to try it out and they like it, it’s unanimous among the senior techs and the junior techs are teetering. Often the ONLY reason we as devs do not use ubuntu or some other linux derivative as our primary os, is Adobe and I don’t know a single dev (in my circle) who would not consider switching. Adobe professes to be an advocate of open source, and to a large extent they are. I bet they would get tremendous support if they pulled an IBM and started marketing linux.

By: hosein

hosein — Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:16:31 +0000

hi
i use a system by:
cpu: AMD Phenom II X6 – 3.2
Main: Asus corshair IV
VGA: ATI Radeon HD 5850
Do you recamen the system for Primier CS 5?

By: rick

rick — Wed, 26 May 2010 05:32:00 +0000

Are you aware that the WHOLE government of China is using Linux. The whole government of Korea? And there are a growing number of other countries’ governments looking into it. The Singapore governments Ministry of Defense has switched to linux also.

By: Ivan

Ivan — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:08:49 +0000

All this Linux advocacy seems to show a basic misunderstanding of the business needs of a for-profit corporation, even a prosperous one.
There’s no question that Adobe, being a large and profitable software company, could afford to put 5 or 10 people on a Linux port on Photoshop. The question is not “could Adobe afford it”, but rather, “what other things could those 5 or 10 people be working on, and whether those other things would make more money or be more strategically valuable.” It needs to make sense *as a business decision*.
Flash Player on Linux makes tremendous sense as a business decision; a big part of Flash’s value to customers is ubiquity, and making it work on Linux is a big part of making it work beyond the desktop as well.
Flex Builder on Linux makes sense because it’s a lower-impact project (Flex Builder is built on the Eclipse core, and large parts are therefore portable Java), and because the developer community, FB’s target market, has disproportionately embraced Linux as a platform.
Deriding the validity of decision-making based on business priorities because of “philosophy” ain’t gonna get much traction given the above.
Advocates for a Linux port need to argue a case in those terms. Otherwise they’re just wasting their time.
-Iván Cavero Belaunde, Adobe

By: Daniel Gabriele

Daniel Gabriele — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:28:34 +0000

I don’t buy the argument that Adobe can’t afford porting Photoshop to Linux. That’s just a tired excuse, which, however true in the eyes of managers, is the result of a shameful, uninspiring corporate culture. Adobe shouldn’t have to cast the whole Linux debate in terms of finances because it’s really a debate that should be had in terms of philosophy. There’s no way that I can believe that Adobe can’t hire a small team of developers to START porting Photoshop to Linux. There’s too much concern about money. There’s really no “grassroots”-level excuse.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:19 +0000

[Every single request for Linux support talks about the "growing" Linux market, but not one ever--ever--has provided evidence to support that claim. That's not to slag Linux, just to say that I'm tired of hearing an article of faith repeated as if it's a business justification.]
To be honest: the only thing keeping me from deleting Windows, installing Linux and never looking back is the adobe suite.
Linux has nothing but advantages over Windows, the only thing better about Windows is the software.
(Small example: I installed, updated and configured my pc in Linux in about half an hour. I installed, updated and configured Vista in about 15 hours!!)

By: Petar Lončarević

Petar Lončarević — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:12:03 +0000

Hello,
I am aware that Linux doesn’t have a big share of the market as you Microsoft partners like to call that, but I am sure that you would greatly increase and encourage audio, video and graphic designers to switch to Linux operating system if you would offer a CS package for the Linux distributions. A whole lot of design studios would switch to Linux because it is much cheaper running a studio with ten or more workstations running Linux and CS package then any Mac or Windows based workstation. I just think that Adobe and Microsoft have some kind of agreement not to port applications because they know that when that happens Microsoft will certainly loose a substantial share of their “respective” market share. I do not see any other reason why Adobe or any other big software company would be avoiding porting their software for Linux. If Nero has profits from their suit why shouldn’t Adobe?
Greetings from Serbia.
Petar Lončarević

By: Melissa

Melissa — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:33:14 +0000

I have an upgrade question…I have Mac CS1 and I’m debating between upgrading to CS3 or CS4. My only reason to upgrade is so that I can work with files from those made in CS3 & 4. My question is, if I only upgrade to CS 3.3, will I be able to read files from CS4? and will I be able to upgrade from there to CS4 at a later time?

By: Nemes Ioan Sorin

Nemes Ioan Sorin — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:12:48 +0000

Now I understand ..finally your position. I just read the essence :
“People largely use Linux because they want to save money & because they hate commercial software.
Also, Linux users tend to have moved over from Windows, so Linux seats don’t represent net growth..”.
…but those reasons work some ages ago – Linux are cheaper ? I’m not so sure – linux support cost money, good money, I choose linux because I like the platform – like milions of developers and other technical peoples (designers can’t do that because of Adobe / Corel and $MS legacy right now). And I don’t hate commercially software ;), this is a joke, usually I instruct peoples to buy software to get better support (24/7 in some cases) and best upgrades, at least 2 companies nearby buy Adobe suites on my advice. Corel can send me a share taking account on the printing companies where I put Corel Draw (along Photoshop) on my DTP past ;).
But mr. Nack, a lot of linux users love linux because is a strong platform, has a predictable development line, and finally offer a better horizon (at least on our days), for example as a developer you can take a deep look into kernel if you need (can you do that on Windows ?), also on the Linux world users usually talk with developers to get whet they need not what the MS king choose for them – and this is the new economic model mr. Nack (I know Adobe start to do the same on Adobe Labs ..but not with its linux members – see Flex Linux group where from a gray day, Adobe cuts communications with subscribers, they actually speak for themselves now on that list),
The main reason for inteligent peoples to use linux as platform is not because is cheap (heh) but because linux show them the horizon which MS fail to show in many years. Also on the linux side things are moving fast or very fast now – is not like years ago when you wait other years for something to happen. And gradually peoples change and will change the side because linux start to offer more, to become consistent and to have a consience about itself- the same thing happen with the IT industry. Now linux are under heavy hardware support from the big names(Intel and AMD – to name only monsters- on both cpu’s and gpu’s).
Stability, openness, support, and from some time ago Vision. That’s what we see on linux amd not in Windows mr. Nack. That’s why we can’t believe the “cheap myth” – we choose linux because we like that platform – we compare and we choose – and we expect to pay the corect price for the goods.
Maybe on some area things still need to evolve (or Adobe don’t like how things are set… ) but you can help the evolution – tell to main linux actors what is not OK from Adobe point of view and they will move things on the right direction. This is the right way – to communicate. Request what you think Adobe apps. will need from next GTK / Glib / Gnome 3 / KDE 4+ / X.org 7+/ etc, and they will solve problems. Maybe they don’t know right now what bother you.
The problem is not with us, we are humans too – the problem is with Adobe vision and MS legacy. As time as you will still consider the same older reasons – despite our reciprocal respect – things will not go OK (and why ?)
We will miss Adobe products on a better platform that which does not does anything wrong for what reason.
And about all guys that trow with Gimp on you – they are just not enough matured themselves – GIMP dev. team don’t share those stupid opinions (I am on their mailing list). Finally GIMP will gain CMYK support, 16, 32, 48 and xxx bits per pixel, HDR, accelerated canvas, etc, but this will not stay in place of well integrated suites from Adobe. Too bad. It’s a sin. From Linux user view – is a too heavy price to pay only because they use platform of their choice. But looking back into the history, we can clearly see those kind of things are with us from the very beginning.
We will hope anyway on CS5, CS7 or whatever number will be after “CS” – to celebrate together with you, Adobe guys, the beginning of a era of health.
May the God be with you.
P.S.
Until then, please check again and try to understand our position a bit deeper not only at surface ( the “cheap” and “free” are not “reasons” to use linux for many of us – those reasons are for peoples in real financial pain probably and for flame-wars lovers) – and please try this step without any preconception. This side of the world keep valuable minds inside too, scientists, software engineers, hardware companies (Intel, HP, AMD, Nvidia (they all contribute now to the linux subsystems – not only with some new drivers – they are part of linux movement now ), mathematicians, phisicians, teachers, student, more and more public institutions around the world – dont tell me they all are crazzy, they just find a better home [indeed for different motivations]).
You may find on this part of the world a lot of good peoples which choose linux not for the monetary reasons – but because they feel at home (first major barriers was with the drivers but situation is changed – actually the big barrier is that unbelievable resistance [for what reason ?] from few key companies. Adobe and Corel for example in DTP area and.. Adobe only (!!) into web area – where peoples need Dreamweaver and Flash/AIR software to develop their applications “under linux OS” not just to deploy in linux. Adobe Join Linux fundation with a focus on ” …making Linux a RIA platform of choice”. Yes now we have flash player, Adobe Reader and an unfinished beta Flex Builder. Now we will wait for the rest of the tools.

By: Roger Koon

Roger Koon — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:28:30 +0000

John, good point about not having evidence of the Linux market. However, rather than ignore customer requests (my request for information last year went unanswered by Adobe), how about a survey on www.adobe.com to collect feedback and measure levels of intention? [We've already done that. People largely use Linux because they want to save money & because they hate commercial software. Does that sound like a market you'd target with your pro-priced commercial software? Also, Linux users tend to have moved over from Windows, so Linux seats don't represent net growth, merely a switch (which customers would rightly expect to be free, as it is when moving Windows to Mac or vice versa). I'm not saying that Adobe will never make Linux versions of its products. I'm just telling you why there are a lot of business cases more attractive than this one. --J.] Alternatively, just keep ignoring the issue and GIMP will get better, familiarity with GIMP will improve, youtube.com videos will offer help to newbies, and Photoshop will eventually dwindle. RK [A) Fine, bring it on. I'm sick of people wagging their finger in my face about this (as they've been doing for 10+ years). Go make GIMP better. B) What, you think if we started selling Photoshop for Linux, GIMP would go away (and not get better)? It's already available for Mac & Windows, where Photoshop has been available for years. You guys are always, *always* going to trot out the "My dad could beat up your dad" thing. Fine, come beat up my dad, or quit talking about it. --J.]

By: Douglas

Douglas — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:30:30 +0000

I love all this talk about Linux and software.. Truth is, large design studios like Dreamworks, ILM, and Pixar use Linux on 95% of their systems. In fact, what they normally do is take a Apple computer, install Linux, and THEN run mac os X under a virtual machine for software that can’t be run under Linux natively. Hmmm.. wonder what software that would be.
The real issue is that software can be made to be portable, if it’s designed with portability form the beginning.
As for WINE, the project started off with the idea of providing a system for testing software before brining it to market. If an application would work under WINE, then it can safely be assumed to work on all Windows systems (save Vista, which is incompatible with it’s self, but that’s another story). The fact that CS4 doesn’t work well under Linux WINE suggests that it could have potential issues with some Windows configurations.
I mean really, when games like Fallout 3, Left4Dead, and Spore run fine under WINE, there really is no excuse.
Blender has already reached a stage that it can compete against popular 3D design packages (say nothing for the price), and the current state of open source software allows for the creation of high quality 3D animated movies, which “Big Buck Bunny” was to prove (www.bigbuckbunny.org)
The thing about the open source community is that they don’t move quite as fast as do commercial development of software, but they do move. Where there is a need, they develop. There’s already work being done to replace Windows with ReactOS (no, it’s a windows like kernel, nothing unix about it), and is nearing beta release.
Not to scare you or anything, but, either support us, or we’ll develop software to replace you a lot faster.
I love all this talk about Linux and software.. Truth is, large design studios like Dreamworks, ILM, and Pixar use Linux on 95% of their systems. In fact, what they normally do is take a Apple computer, install Linux, and THEN run mac os X under a virtual machine for software that can’t be run under Linux natively. Hmmm.. wonder what software that would be.
The real issue is that software can be made to be portable, if it’s designed with portability form the beginning.
As for WINE, the project started off with the idea of providing a system for testing software before brining it to market. If an application would work under WINE, then it can safely be assumed to work on all Windows systems (save Vista, which is incompatible with it’s self, but that’s another story). The fact that CS4 doesn’t work well under Linux WINE suggests that it could have potential issues with some Windows configurations.
I mean really, when games like Fallout 3, Left4Dead, and Spore run fine under WINE, there really is no excuse.
Blender has already reached a stage that it can compete against popular 3D design packages (say nothing for the price), and the current state of open source software allows for the creation of high quality 3D animated movies, which “Big Buck Bunny” was to prove (www.bigbuckbunny.org)
The thing about the open source community is that they don’t move quite as fast as do commercial development of software, but they do move. Where there is a need, they develop. There’s already work being done to replace Windows with ReactOS (no, it’s a windows like kernel, nothing unix about it), and is nearing beta release.
Not to scare you or anything, but, either support us, or we’ll develop software to replace you a lot faster.
And if you still think you don’t have market share for Adobe software for Linux, go and talk to all those folks down at Dreamworks Animation, Pixar, and ILM. Though, they normally develop their own tools when what they need isn’t available to them (and they develop it for Linux– not Windows or Mac).
Oh, as for 64-bit flash player that we’ve been demanding. We’ve got that working now too (as well as an open source Action Script compiler). Thanks for the modivation to do it ourselves!

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:05:06 +0000

Thee problem with linux version of photoshop is that it is a chicken and egg situation. Adobe say there is not enough demand for it but then many PS users say the only thing stopping them converting to linux is because there is no PS!
Like they said about Las Vagas ‘Build it and they will come’.

By: fjf

fjf — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:35:29 +0000

CS5 on Ubuntu!!! Yes, please, another helping sir!
Just think of the all Adobe apps I could buy if I didn’t have to pay those OS taxes!! Creative folks run Linux. Don’t let your market run away from you.

By: Josh

Josh — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:52:46 +0000

Ugh… Adobe, corner a market. Despite my lack of figures, it is common knowledge that ATI cards lost a lot of ground in the Linux community due to the lack of any open source drivers & support from the company. Remember, the Linux community talks, listens, has HUGE blogs, forums and word spreads quickly. As much as I love free repositories of software, I, and I’m willing to bet a LARGE number of Linux users would cut of a toe to see a native CS4 port. Not hard, minimal programming, testing a breeze with the Open Source Community. If I could run Premiere, Photoshop & Dreamweaver in Ubuntu, then I could just have my Vista install for 1 purpose, games! C’mon Adobe, take a punt, or, it’s paying off for ATI.