May 24, 2010

Julieanne Kost demoing CS5 this Thursday in DC

This Thursday (May 27) the Washington DC chapter of ASMP is hosting a talk from Adobe evangelist Julieanne Kost. According to the Web site, the event will feature a giveaway of one copy of Photoshop CS5, plus Julieanne demonstrating the following improvements:

  • New selection technologies and tools
  • Content-Aware Fill
  • New tools for HDR imaging with HDR Pro
  • Automated correction of lens distortion in Adobe Camera Raw 6
  • Improved raw conversions, noise removal, additive grain in Adobe Camera Raw 6
  • Puppet Warp – Transform on steroids
  • New brush engine for a natural media look with Mixer Brush and Bristle tips
  • Integrated Lab B&W action for an easy and interactive way to convert color images
  • Accelerated workflow with GPU-enabled cropping and new, integrated Adobe® Mini Bridge panel
  • Improved integration with Adobe Photoshop Lightroom® and much more

PS–So take that, folks who complain that I never blog about East Coast Photoshop events. ;-)

Posted by John Nack at 2:29 PM on May 24, 2010


  • Sean Baker — 4:32 PM on May 24, 2010

    I wasn’t complaining about the lack of blogging – I was pointing out the lack of traveling. I know it’s hard to be away from family and feel bad for what amount does happen; but it’s not a small portion of your customer base which live and work this side of the Mississippi – and we do miss y’all.

  • dave — 7:09 PM on May 24, 2010

    Hi John me again.
    I have gone around the studio and asked what would we like from Adobe re photoshop.We came to a conclusion.We would like a quick , non crashing piece of Kit, take all the gadgets out, all the, magic and work arounds and just a plain simple, fast piece of software, with ongoing support for new Cameras.We all agreed you can keep the gimmicks, put them in elements or something.Maybe you could pass this on
    [Dave, you keep saying that CS5 is unstable, but you’ve yet to tell me when/where/how. I’m sorry it’s being a pain for you, but without more substantiation, there’s nothing I can look into and try to fix. –J.]

  • Jason — 9:32 PM on May 24, 2010

    So does that mean if enough Coloradans ask for a presentation from one of the Adobe evangelists we can get a live local demo too? :)

  • Scott Valentine — 9:49 PM on May 24, 2010

    What are the gimmicks? It sounds to me like you don’t appreciate the possibilities in PS, but do want flexible editing of raw images. So, have you considered Lightroom?
    I am finding all manner of use for ‘gimmicks’ like 3D, content-aware tools, HDR, puppet warp, mixer brushes, etc. Even the much-hated lens flare has an honored spot in my toolbox.
    I’m not sure what qualifies as a gimmick… either you can use a tool or you can’t. It doesn’t mean it’s not useful to others.

  • dave — 12:48 AM on May 25, 2010

    Scott thats what I am saying.Have a Photoshop for the mums and Dad users, and have a professional one for the highend users who can create brilliant artowrksetc for the Advertising companies etc most of us are happy with most of the tools but find others a waste of time.Obviously you are creating invites and birthday cards.

  • earth — 1:09 AM on May 25, 2010

    and we shall call it “Dave’s Photoshop!”
    Maybe it’s time to pull that stick out, brah…

  • dave — 4:03 AM on May 25, 2010


  • dave — 4:14 AM on May 25, 2010

    You could easily put a test on how good CS5 is.Simple, …….support all new Canera Raw files in CS4 and see how many sales you make.NOT MANY because the new gimmicks are just that.Adobe are not stupid they will force most people to upgrade by not offering new RAW support for CS3 or CS4.The case is simple.Argue all you like but put this simple test to the customers and SEE THE TRUTH.

  • Jeffrey Tranberry — 4:18 AM on May 25, 2010

    Dave, we already do that by offering the FREE DNG converter for support of all currently supported camera raw formats in legacy versions of Photoshop (CS2, CS3, CS4).

  • Richard — 6:35 AM on May 25, 2010

    Sorry Dave, but you seem to be using a rather arrogant tone in your posts. If you don’t see improvements in photoshop CS5, nobody stops you from going back to using CS2.
    I have been running CS5 for some time now and I have yet to experience a instability or a crash.
    Though some of your arguments, pertaining bloat may be valid, in my experience the extra “gimmicks” have done nothing to impair my usage of PS.
    I am strongly under the impression that you expect new tools to be magical. Content aware is not the magical tool that fixes stuff for you without any effort. It’s just a TOOL, that means “you” have to know how to use it and use it to it’s best possibilities. For matching lines up for instance, this is a great tool. If you are lucky,using it on small areas you can save half an hour of cloning and blending to match gradients and grain/noise/pixels in your image. If it doesn’t work, too bad, then you just do it the old fashioned way.

  • Who cares — 6:42 AM on May 25, 2010

    What’s Photoshop Elements? Don’t act like you’re the king of Photoshop. Your patronizing tone is extremely annoying. You haven’t even mentioned what exactly seems to be instable on your system.
    If you expect the tools to be magical and do all the work for you, why do you even work as a retoucher/designer/whatever?

  • Brian Spence — 10:13 AM on May 25, 2010

    Thanks John! I live in the DC area and I’ll definitely try to check it out! Almost nothing comes to DC, so this is great.

  • Scott Valentine — 11:51 AM on May 25, 2010

    Obviously you are creating invites and birthday cards.
    Did you mean to direct this at me, Dave?
    I don’t think I’ve ever done an invite or birthday card… For ‘mums and dads’, there is Photoshop Elements (under $90 USD) and (free). There’s also Pixelmator for around $60 USD. Would one of those meet your needs as a professional?
    As for the comment on handling raw images, I think Jeff answered nicely. But you should also consider what it takes to support a camera’s raw file format – reverse engineering. Last time I checked (I may be wrong), most camera manufacturers are not disclosing their format structures.

  • dave — 2:21 PM on May 25, 2010

    No arrogance , just logic.The hype around the new gimmicks did in some press releases mention magic, I always have and had my doubt, why not be honest with the public, content aware, is not that great, it has problems, show the public the pros and the cons with all its new gimmicks.The arrogance you think you read is because you read my debate in a very one eyed way.I have give the whole studio a go on CS5 and then discussed its pros and cons round table, my findings are as above, its unstable and the new tools are not so good.I am sure Adobe need this feedback to improve their product. and as I said in an earlier post a very solid way of getting feedback on CS5 is to support CS4 with all RAWs for just one year, see how the sales go, if they are poor its a dud.Remember Illustrator 7 .People wouldnt touch it, if they did they went back to 6 very quickly. it was a Dog, Now people are forced into upgrading for one simple reason unsupported RAW.Adobe are not lets cut the Hype about the gimmicks,

  • dave — 2:33 PM on May 25, 2010

    Jeffrey T DNG is an extra step in a production line, Adobe know this, just offer support in RAW as they use to ,Just try the support for RAW in CS4 and see how many units sell, thats good feedback for the upgrade.Its pretty logical and it logical that Adobe dont want this.
    Feedback and improvement is vital in any organisation, I know of a few large companies who are still using CS2, I would disagree with that but CS2 serves their purpose, I respect that.

  • Scott Valentine — 3:25 PM on May 25, 2010

    Feedback comes in different flavors, Dave: useful and not.
    Nobody is telling you you’re lying about stability in your environment. But to fix stability issues, Adobe needs to know the conditions – what are you doing when things fail? is there a pattern? what system are you running on? other apps? opening legacy files? putting quarters in the back of your monitor?
    And ‘the tools are not so good’. Really? Let’s say you provide me some artwork and I tell you my client doesn’t like it. It’s a big contract, so you want to do it right. What do you do with “I don’t like it”? How about “It’s not good. Make it better.”
    Do you get the point?
    On the topic of raw, I replied earlier but don’t see the response above… basically, raw refers to what the camera natively spits out. Camera manufacturers are notorious for changing the information and structure of this data all the time. Even their own software needs to be updated when they do this.
    Adobe has to reverse engineer the raw data (raw, btw, is a description, not a file format), then build that into ACR. That takes time and resources, and is not cost effective to do every time something changes.
    I convert EVERYTHING I take now from raw to DNG. Done. I am now assured that I can get at my images for quite some time to come. I embed the linear data so I can extract later should the need arise.
    The real problem on that count seems to be you want things only to work your way, and refuse to adopt a very simple change to your work flow. There is no way to ‘enable support for RAW’ in CS4 (it’s ACR that handles the raw image, anyway) as it’s not just a freaking switch in the software.

  • dave — 8:39 PM on May 25, 2010

    Looks like evryone works for Adobe on this blog.Feedback Scott is pretty easy to understand, CS4 works on all our machine CS5 crashed twice in a morning and twice in the afternoon.
    “And ‘the tools are not so good’. Really? Let’s say you provide me some artwork and I tell you my client doesn’t like it. It’s a big contract, so you want to do it right. What do you do with “I don’t like it”? How about “It’s not good. Make it better.”
    haha you are an idiot Scott , I am saying that to Adobe, You obviously dont read too well.Scott the clot.You should change your user Clot.hahaha.
    anyway Adobe wont change their ways its clear on many avenues.

  • Jeffrey Tranberry — 9:04 PM on May 25, 2010

    Dave, have you submitted your crash reports with your email address? We can analyze the crash report and let you know what’s going wrong. Since you post anonymously we can’t contact you for additional information.

  • Jeffrey Tranberry — 9:19 PM on May 25, 2010

    Have you asked your camera manufacturer why they create new, proprietary file formats each time they release a new camera? Are they providing a FREE solution to provide software compatibility for their camera file formats?
    Leveraging the DNG converter is the fastest way for us to deliver backwards compatibility to ALL users (CS2, CS3, CS4 and third party apps that support DNG) with the greatest number of camera support. We’re trying to support as many customers and cameras as possible. Period.
    Yes, it’s an extra step to convert the files but there are other benefits to using DNG besides backwards compatibility if you haven’t explored those:
    1. The metadata, keywords and RAW adjustments are stored in the file – along with a processed preview of the image. This makes the file portable and keeps your metadata safe and secure.
    2. DNG files are smaller than the original RAW file which will save you disk space and time in the long run.
    3. DNG is an openly specified file format which means the file format isn’t going away. So if you use another RAW processor that supports DNG, you don’t have to worry about compatibility or portability of your metadata.
    I hope this helps you understand.

  • Phil Brown — 9:25 PM on May 25, 2010

    Guys…Dave’s obviously a troll – I wouldn’t waste your time.

  • Jeffrey Tranberry — 9:35 PM on May 25, 2010

    @Phil, probably, but his bait allowed me to communicate some information that’s hopefully helpful to other users:
    1. The benefits of DNG, namely for backwards compatibility.
    2. Always submit crash reports with your email address. We can provide users with information on ways to correct the problem or point to updates when they become available.

  • Scott Valentine — 10:22 PM on May 25, 2010

    Nicely said, dave.
    1 – If you spent money on CS5 (possibly you just stole it), you are losing time and money by being incapable of rational thought. That makes me smile.
    2 – You are hardly capable of insulting me. That would imply you matter.
    3 – You keep posting anonymously, which tells me you know just how ignorant you look.
    4 – Others reading these comments may have benefited from the information presented. You didn’t. Again, that amuses me.

  • Scott Valentine — 10:32 PM on May 25, 2010

    You’re right, Phil. Hopefully others will see that simply complaining usually gets nowhere. Complaining and providing details, however… well, that’s something that can actually get results.

  • Richard — 1:52 AM on May 26, 2010

    +1 on Dave probably being a troll.
    I find content aware fill just fine for what it is: an extra tool for the repertoire, if it doesn’t work, try another tool.
    Dave is expecting a one-shot-fix-it-all-tool.
    As for instability: none here whatsoever. If Dave’s whole team is complaining about crashes, that really sounds suspicious.
    On dng: I always use lightroom, would there be any reason to convert nef to dng? I can’t see nef files becoming obsolete and there’s always proprietary software in time of need.
    I guess I could still always convert my files to dng when nikon/hass/whatever announces they stop raw support.

  • dave — 3:00 AM on May 26, 2010

    Adobe would do a lot better if they lost you types the yes men the ass kissers.You expect that.Does it help improve PS…No, do they have imagination, no, they go with the flow
    Agreeing with the boss and sucking up never helped anyone reach the stars.and thats what it seems to be these days pretty average stuff , with a load of yes men as back up.The belief and vision Adobe once had, has been lost.
    Best upgrade every was 3 and the introduction of Layers.

  • Scott Valentine — 6:00 AM on May 26, 2010

    One reason for using DNG is that the specification is open. And in the worst case – nobody makes a reader – the software you use to convert it doesn’t just vanish, so you can always extract your files. This is why I embed the original linearly encoded file.
    It’s not likely that Nikon or ‘Blad or the others will stop supporting ‘raw’, since it’s how they define themselves in the format marketplace. It’s just the unaltered sensor data, along with some instructions on how to put everything back together.
    Check out Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe’s book, Real World Camera Raw (I presume there will be a CS5 version, but CS4 is out there, now). There’s a section where they discuss +/- of using DNG. One big advantage is storing the file development data within the DNG wrapper itself, as opposed to the Bridge database or in a sidecar file.

  • John Nack — 2:26 PM on May 26, 2010

    I feel like everyone has now gotten to say his or her piece, so I’m going to save us all some time by bringing an end to commenting on this post. Thanks for contributing.

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