Comments on: Adobe’s enriching CSS, WebKit

By: Toby

Toby — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:29:47 +0000

I was never frustrated when Adobe was working hard contributing to the community, I was frustrated when they put their product roadmap ahead of genuinely positive changes in technology, when corporate buzz-speak became more important than actually solving problems with their software and workflow.

If Adobe is able to add these changes to the HTML spec and they are accepted and integrated into newer browser engines, that will be a true victory worth celebrating.

By: Mario

Mario — Sat, 21 May 2011 00:24:08 +0000

This is a very good example of delivering http://tumultco.com/hype/ .

By: Chris Cox

Chris Cox — Fri, 20 May 2011 15:02:11 +0000

Excuse me John, but Adobe is not a homogenous whole. Many of our groups are focused on the customer instead of politics, rivalries, buzzwords, and cheerleaders (metaphorical, not literal).

I think I still owe you a few beers – we can talk about it more the next time you’re in town.

By: Mario

Mario — Thu, 19 May 2011 14:44:27 +0000

By there I mean Adobe

By: Mario

Mario — Thu, 19 May 2011 14:43:23 +0000

I don’t usually feel angry (except when flash is the one and only reason that keeps crashing my Mom’s PowerBook G4). I mostly feel disappointed of Adobe’s attitude and RESULTS of the last 5 years or so. As with the Apple of the 90′s I still have hope because I know the is still some good people there…

By: John C. Welch

John C. Welch — Wed, 18 May 2011 19:57:05 +0000

Sorry, I’m too busy congratulating the Flash team over the real preferences and management improvements in 10.3:

http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2011/05/thank_you_flash_team.html

also:

You think so? For some people, being pissed off & tribal isn’t an accident or the unfortunate outcome of some set of circumstances–something that, if only addressed, would end the anger. Rather, it’s the goal unto itself.

Dude, no one, NO ONE at Adobe has *any* moral high ground to point ANY fingers at ANYone about “being tribal as an goal unto itself. I don’t recall Phil Schiller comparing Adobe and its CEO to a Stalinist Regime and Stalin himself in an email.

Adobe needs to deal with your own rampant and rather inane tribalism before y’all start calling out the entire Mac pundit population for not writing the stories you want them to.

Maybe if your executive staff stops acting the way they have been, then the bulk of information coming out of Adobe will be more useful stuff like Adobe’s CSS work and the improvements to Flash.

By: Matt Andrews

Matt Andrews — Wed, 18 May 2011 16:20:37 +0000

John, this sounds like a great addition to the spec, but isn’t there a danger here that we’ll just end up in “coding for different browsers” mode again? These specs should be added to all rendering engines if possible, not just Webkit.

[I think that universal support is absolutely the goal (hence Adobe submitting the idea to the W3C), but the main target right now is tablets, and that's where WebKit is dominant. --J.]

By: Mario

Mario — Wed, 18 May 2011 15:26:31 +0000

Well then convert that propose into deliver and you'll see [You think so? For some people, being pissed off & tribal isn't an accident or the unfortunate outcome of some set of circumstances--something that, if only addressed, would end the anger. Rather, it's the goal unto itself. That journey *is* the reward. If they were happy, if they were somehow okay with the world, they couldn't feel superior to it. In any case, when it comes to enhancing HTML, CSS, or an open-source browser, by design there's only so much any one company can do. I'm not sure what else you'd have Adobe do here. --J.]