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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-79415</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time for the CEO of Adobe to step down.  This is an unmitigated disaster for Adobe&#039;s customer relations to say the least.

Adobe, you screwed up... BAD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for the CEO of Adobe to step down.  This is an unmitigated disaster for Adobe&#8217;s customer relations to say the least.</p>
<p>Adobe, you screwed up&#8230; BAD.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark2000</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-50074</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple cited something like this in 2007 when they made people pay 99¢ for a driver that activated wireless N in their laptops. It&#039;s total BS, of course. OS X gains new features all the time. The 10.8.2 update added Facebook integration. iOS updates are all free and add tons of new features. My Finepix X100 is a year old and just got a firmware update that adds the ability to use it&#039;s buttons in different ways. All of these are free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple cited something like this in 2007 when they made people pay 99¢ for a driver that activated wireless N in their laptops. It&#8217;s total BS, of course. OS X gains new features all the time. The 10.8.2 update added Facebook integration. iOS updates are all free and add tons of new features. My Finepix X100 is a year old and just got a firmware update that adds the ability to use it&#8217;s buttons in different ways. All of these are free.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49274</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing has changed in regard to the way things work for those who buy the boxed version of the software.   The software will do everything it was advertised to do when they purchased it.   Sure,  sometimes I see  what the waiter brings someone else after I have already ordered my meal at a restaurant,  but I don&#039;t raise a stink about it.   I eat what I ordered and remember that for next time.  

These people are simply (after the fact)  seeing the benefits of the Creative Cloud model,  which they likely originally disregarded as viable.   Now,  they are jealous.   I am glad I immediately saw the benefit this model would provide me.   I am thrilled to have access to a feature-set I would have otherwise been unable to afford.   

I have been upset with Adobe in the past for other things (such as ceasing development of software that were core to my business without releasing an alternative,  pricing software outside the budgets of the average person,  and so on).   However,  this is one time I can actually say BRAVO to Adobe for thinking outside the box and providing get customers with immense value for a fair price. 

I&#039;m sorry not everyone feels this way,  but I for one am thrilled and hope this is effort if hugely successful for Adobe so that they will continue it indefinitely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing has changed in regard to the way things work for those who buy the boxed version of the software.   The software will do everything it was advertised to do when they purchased it.   Sure,  sometimes I see  what the waiter brings someone else after I have already ordered my meal at a restaurant,  but I don&#8217;t raise a stink about it.   I eat what I ordered and remember that for next time.  </p>
<p>These people are simply (after the fact)  seeing the benefits of the Creative Cloud model,  which they likely originally disregarded as viable.   Now,  they are jealous.   I am glad I immediately saw the benefit this model would provide me.   I am thrilled to have access to a feature-set I would have otherwise been unable to afford.   </p>
<p>I have been upset with Adobe in the past for other things (such as ceasing development of software that were core to my business without releasing an alternative,  pricing software outside the budgets of the average person,  and so on).   However,  this is one time I can actually say BRAVO to Adobe for thinking outside the box and providing get customers with immense value for a fair price. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry not everyone feels this way,  but I for one am thrilled and hope this is effort if hugely successful for Adobe so that they will continue it indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49052</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it´s like autodesk.

pay more to get what you have got earlier for less.

&lt;i&gt;[Or, to put it a more factual way, you get more than what was available earlier, at a radically lower barrier to entry.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt;

and the morons think it´s a good idea....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it´s like autodesk.</p>
<p>pay more to get what you have got earlier for less.</p>
<p><i>[Or, to put it a more factual way, you get more than what was available earlier, at a radically lower barrier to entry.  --J.]</i></p>
<p>and the morons think it´s a good idea&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pogozelski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49031</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Pogozelski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For whatever reason I consider myself a pro at the Adobe apps. I see that today they released a dot update to AI and PS and some others to all users (I have the disc version of M. Collection CS6). So, good!

I worked around &quot;package&quot; features in AI for 10 years, it won&#039;t kill me to wait for that. I&#039;ll survive using the clipboard to extract images from AI like I always have. As long as bugs get posted to all paying customers I&#039;m OK.

Maybe Adobe is going for the casual user (in bulk) and enticing them with exiting (or not) features. I don&#039;t know or care about the business theory at Adobe.  Agency and self-employed design pros can wait them out. 

So this dot release for all makes me feel better about buying the non-monthly CS6. Thanks for releasing them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever reason I consider myself a pro at the Adobe apps. I see that today they released a dot update to AI and PS and some others to all users (I have the disc version of M. Collection CS6). So, good!</p>
<p>I worked around &#8220;package&#8221; features in AI for 10 years, it won&#8217;t kill me to wait for that. I&#8217;ll survive using the clipboard to extract images from AI like I always have. As long as bugs get posted to all paying customers I&#8217;m OK.</p>
<p>Maybe Adobe is going for the casual user (in bulk) and enticing them with exiting (or not) features. I don&#8217;t know or care about the business theory at Adobe.  Agency and self-employed design pros can wait them out. </p>
<p>So this dot release for all makes me feel better about buying the non-monthly CS6. Thanks for releasing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Hagan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49029</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Hagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will these incremental features/upgrades be offered to corporate clients with licensing maintenance agreements? 

If so, it would seem that a lot of the hue and cry accusing Adobe of abandoning corporate customers would be moot. If not, it&#039;d be a good way to quell folks. and perhaps Adobe could consider it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will these incremental features/upgrades be offered to corporate clients with licensing maintenance agreements? </p>
<p>If so, it would seem that a lot of the hue and cry accusing Adobe of abandoning corporate customers would be moot. If not, it&#8217;d be a good way to quell folks. and perhaps Adobe could consider it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Nack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49016</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Nack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adobe knows how to treat loyal customers.

&lt;i&gt;[You&#039;re unironically right.  --J.]&lt;/i&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe knows how to treat loyal customers.</p>
<p><i>[You're unironically right.  --J.]</i> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who work for institutional customers who were given no choice aside, I don&#039;t understand why this is angering people so much. They announced how this was going to work before you could even buy. Did these angry people just not believe them? in fact, they even explained why some products that they expected to update very regularly would *only* have a subscription option.

For those who aren&#039;t getting these &quot;extras&quot; now because they decided the perpetual lisence was right for them*, you do realize you weren&#039;t going to be seeing these feature until the next paid upgrade whether Creative Cloud existed or not, right? 

It isn&#039;t like your copy of CS6 now suddenly doesn&#039;t do what they promised when you spent your thousands of dollars on upgrades and it isn&#039;t as if they are removing features.

*I felt the perpetual lisence was still the way to go for me so I&#039;m not getting these features either but as long as these new things being added don&#039;t result in compatibility issues with saved files I need to open in my horribly outdated copy of CS6, I fail to see how Adobe has wronged me in any way, here. Maybe someone can express in practical terms about what is going on now to explain what is wrong without involving irrational knee-jerk reaction and  without hypothetical theory of how this will impact what may or may not happen in the future. A school teaching it without these features I can understand being a problem (although those educational discounts are pretty sweet) but what about typical users? Am I missing something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who work for institutional customers who were given no choice aside, I don&#8217;t understand why this is angering people so much. They announced how this was going to work before you could even buy. Did these angry people just not believe them? in fact, they even explained why some products that they expected to update very regularly would *only* have a subscription option.</p>
<p>For those who aren&#8217;t getting these &#8220;extras&#8221; now because they decided the perpetual lisence was right for them*, you do realize you weren&#8217;t going to be seeing these feature until the next paid upgrade whether Creative Cloud existed or not, right? </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t like your copy of CS6 now suddenly doesn&#8217;t do what they promised when you spent your thousands of dollars on upgrades and it isn&#8217;t as if they are removing features.</p>
<p>*I felt the perpetual lisence was still the way to go for me so I&#8217;m not getting these features either but as long as these new things being added don&#8217;t result in compatibility issues with saved files I need to open in my horribly outdated copy of CS6, I fail to see how Adobe has wronged me in any way, here. Maybe someone can express in practical terms about what is going on now to explain what is wrong without involving irrational knee-jerk reaction and  without hypothetical theory of how this will impact what may or may not happen in the future. A school teaching it without these features I can understand being a problem (although those educational discounts are pretty sweet) but what about typical users? Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Chone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Chone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Adobe needs to be very careful about pushing this &quot;only available to certain kind of paying customer&quot; story. This could fire back on them. 

Good luck for Adobe explaining big customers paying hundred thousands of dollars that they cannot have the latest greatest things because they were not on the right licensing train. 

Subscription is not a good option for everybody, like car leasing is not, offering both is great, forcing users to move to one is bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Adobe needs to be very careful about pushing this &#8220;only available to certain kind of paying customer&#8221; story. This could fire back on them. </p>
<p>Good luck for Adobe explaining big customers paying hundred thousands of dollars that they cannot have the latest greatest things because they were not on the right licensing train. </p>
<p>Subscription is not a good option for everybody, like car leasing is not, offering both is great, forcing users to move to one is bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Chone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49008</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Chone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having worked at Adobe, I confirm this. It&#039;s convenient for Adobe that do want to move its customers to subscription pricing, but it is true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked at Adobe, I confirm this. It&#8217;s convenient for Adobe that do want to move its customers to subscription pricing, but it is true.</p>
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		<title>By: PECourtejoie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49007</link>
		<dc:creator>PECourtejoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, it is explained here, but does not give the actual provision: http://www.reghardware.com/2007/01/17/apple_80211n_wifi_fee_update/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, it is explained here, but does not give the actual provision: <a href="http://www.reghardware.com/2007/01/17/apple_80211n_wifi_fee_update/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reghardware.com/2007/01/17/apple_80211n_wifi_fee_update/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PECourtejoie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49006</link>
		<dc:creator>PECourtejoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve: because they report their sales differently. IANAL, maybe someone with more expertize in legislation can chime in. But this has prevented updates in the past. I know that Lightroom is accounted differently, and that&#039;s why they have been able to push updates after the quarter of release. But I know it is part of Sarbanes-Oxley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: because they report their sales differently. IANAL, maybe someone with more expertize in legislation can chime in. But this has prevented updates in the past. I know that Lightroom is accounted differently, and that&#8217;s why they have been able to push updates after the quarter of release. But I know it is part of Sarbanes-Oxley.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Laskevitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49004</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Laskevitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please cite the provision. I think someone needs to call BS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please cite the provision. I think someone needs to call BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Laskevitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49003</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Laskevitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My company also purchased a pile of licenses before a group cloud option was available. We teach the product, and now our students versions and ours will grow steadily out of sync unless we double our expense and get a cloud account on top of our already substantial purchase. 

I&#039;ve been advocating for Creative Cloud since early. It really does seem a good deal for most. I just wish I didn&#039;t feel ripped off now.

Re: the comment from PECourtejoie...c&#039;mon, really? Why do I get new features with updates to all other software I&#039;ve purchased? Are other software companies rampant law breakers? I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company also purchased a pile of licenses before a group cloud option was available. We teach the product, and now our students versions and ours will grow steadily out of sync unless we double our expense and get a cloud account on top of our already substantial purchase. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been advocating for Creative Cloud since early. It really does seem a good deal for most. I just wish I didn&#8217;t feel ripped off now.</p>
<p>Re: the comment from PECourtejoie&#8230;c&#8217;mon, really? Why do I get new features with updates to all other software I&#8217;ve purchased? Are other software companies rampant law breakers? I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Broom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/08/new-illustrator-features-now-available-to-cloud-subscribers.html#comment-49002</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Broom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry John but have to agree with the first two comments above.  

I&#039;m just not getting the Cloud message and judging from comments on the NAPP Forum where I wondered aloud about the Adobe cloud concept, it is clear that other people feel that Adobe are getting it very badly wrong this time round. 

I am convinced that the iron fist in a velvet glove concept is just not going to work and my sense of brand loyalty is now being seriously challenged.  This is a great pity because I just love my Adobe software, your blog and most of what comes with Adobe products including a strong sense of belonging.  

But....sorry....the cloud model just isn&#039;t for me and as a &#039;standard user&#039; I&#039;m feeling disenfranchised and I&#039;m also starting to get that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.  We&#039;re taking in water....make for the lifeboats!

Richard]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry John but have to agree with the first two comments above.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not getting the Cloud message and judging from comments on the NAPP Forum where I wondered aloud about the Adobe cloud concept, it is clear that other people feel that Adobe are getting it very badly wrong this time round. </p>
<p>I am convinced that the iron fist in a velvet glove concept is just not going to work and my sense of brand loyalty is now being seriously challenged.  This is a great pity because I just love my Adobe software, your blog and most of what comes with Adobe products including a strong sense of belonging.  </p>
<p>But&#8230;.sorry&#8230;.the cloud model just isn&#8217;t for me and as a &#8216;standard user&#8217; I&#8217;m feeling disenfranchised and I&#8217;m also starting to get that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.  We&#8217;re taking in water&#8230;.make for the lifeboats!</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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