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Apple’s Aperture News

Today, Apple announced they will no longer be developing Aperture in light of their new photography app for OS X. If you are an Aperture or iPhoto customer looking for change, check out our new Creative Cloud Photography plan announced last week, or our standalone Lightroom app for your desktop as alternatives.

The all new Creative Cloud Photography Plan gives you Photoshop (Mac / Win) and Lightroom (Mac / Win / iPhone / iPad / Web). This new offer not only addresses traditional desktop photo requirements but extends these workflows to the web and your mobile devices. Today, Lightroom mobile provides seamless access from desktop, tablet, phone and web.

Put simply we’re doubling down on our investments in Lightroom and the new Creative Cloud Photography plan and you can expect to see a rich roadmap of rapid innovation for desktop, web and device workflows in the coming weeks, months and years. We also continue to invest actively on the iOS and OSX platforms, and are committed to helping interested iPhoto and Aperture customers migrate to our rich solution across desktop, device and web workflows.

To learn more about our offer for Photographers click here. To learn more about the announcements we made last week click here.

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I already planned to migrate vom Aperture to Lightroom before this news. Any plany for a new Aperture-Import routine in Lightroom ahead?

    We’re looking into a way for iPhoto and Aperture customers to more easily migrate to Lightroom.

      i am a CC member but i don’t use light room at all just cuz the migrate is not easy
      with this news i hope adobe will make some app that do the migration easy and simple

      A migration tool has always been the one limiting factor preventing me from trying out Lightroom. If I know I won’t have to completely start over from scratch, I would be less hesitant to move to lightroom.

    Check out my Lightroom to Aperture page http://lightroomsolutions.com/articles/migrating-from-aperture-to-lightroom-where-do-i-begin/ and especially the great comments on the details

Is there any information available about migrating from Aperture to Lightroom?

    We’re working on a way for iPhoto and Aperture customers to more easily migrate to Lightroom. As of right now, your best bet is to save any metadata to your files, then import the files directly from disk. (Note: Aperture develop settings aren’t compatible. If you want to preserve the look of your image edits, export rendered versions of your files from Aperture to import to Lightroom)

      Jeffrey Tranberry: Are you able to provide any kind of date or estimate as for when this migrating solution could be available?

      When you create the migration path from Aperture to Lightroom — I’m on board.

While I’ve been using Lightroom professionally for awhile, I have maintained all of my personal/family photos in Aperture (previously iPhoto) for very specific reasons:

Excellent integration with our 2 iPhones, 2 iPads, and 3 AppleTVs.

I set up a few smart playlists that sniff tags, ratings and date ranges to automatically sync to our iOS devices and AppleTV screen savers to always keep fresh personal/family photos in place, while rotating older stuff out.

Example:
Criteria:
a. 5 star rating
b. tagged with at least one family member’s name
c. Date within the last 18 months.

If a photo makes all of these criteria, it will land in a playlist that iTunes will automatically sync (and keep synced) to our iOS devices, always rotating out photos as they age out. I set it up and it just works. As new photos get added and tagged, they automatically find their place in the system.

Can I set up this kind of deep integration while using LIghtroom as my family archive (which contains over 100,000 images and movie clips)?

    With Lightroom mobile, we do have integration to sync images from the desktop to your devices and images from your devices down to the desktop.

    You can create Smart Collection to sort on the criteria you mention – unfortunately, Smart Collections don’t currently sync to Lightroom mobile.

    We know customers with catalogs with hundreds of thousands of images. Lightroom mobile is tested up to 250k images (of course you need to have enough storage on your device to store whatever volume of images you want or need)

      lightroom imobile only works with an idevice. you think that all lightroom users use an idevice eh? /rant

      Thanks Jeffrey. I’m aware of lighroom mobile and that ability to sync a smart collection to the Adobe cloud. But that ability falls far short of the sort of whole-house and family of devices integration I currently enjoy. I wish for a little piece of bridge code that could funnel these images back into place to supply the contents of these smart playlists into the ecosystem I have in place.

      FYI, even though my personal library is 100k+ images & clips, typically only about 200-250 photos are sitting in this smart playlist, so device storage footprint is not a major concern, especially since it doesn’t push the RAW files out, but rather a JPEG conversion for the devices.

      I’m wondering if lightroom mobile will be able to sync collection sets. In aperture, I have about 100 albums but they are categorized in about 7 main folders. I tried out the lightroom sync and I like it. However, I really need it to be able to show me just the sets, and then expand each set to show the individual albums/collections in each.

      Also, I want to reiterate the importance of an easy migrate tool. I started to move aperture to lightroom by exporting each version of every aperture album and into lightroom .. It was extremely time costly and I stopped doing it.

    You should be able to do this same thing with Lightroom. Set up a Smart Collection with the same criteria, then use Publish Services to export JPEGs to a directory. Then tell iTunes to automatically import photos from that directory, and it becomes available on all your iOS devices. Some of these steps might be manual, but you can pretty easily automated them with AppleScript.

When will we have mobile ligthroom for Android and Windows phone?

Will you be kind enough to put a link to your “Creative Cloud Photography plan” announced last week? I never follow your blog or news, so I might search and read the wrong article. You must not be from marketing I guess.

“Aperture develop settings aren’t compatible. If you want to preserve the look of your image edits, export rendered versions of your files from Aperture to import to Lightroom”

This is the real dealbreaker. I’ve been managing my images in Aperture since version 1.0, and I have hundreds of thousands of adjusted images. The idea of losing all of that work is horrifying. I wonder if Apple could offer a helping hand to find a way to sync the develop settings between the two apps?

What’s needed is a way for Lightroom to just directly open and convert the whole library – it’s fine with me if that process takes overnight or even a few days, but I don’t want to be stuck editing all of those photos again… (Mind you, I also don’t want to be stuck without a photo management app, so you may well have me over a barrel…)

    Same thing here. I suppose that the only safe solution would be a DNG export module in Aperture to extract RAWs, and rendered copies in single pack. However no solution for tuning the Lightroom ugly user interface…

F### YOU Adobe! I would stop shooting photos before I started using your piece of s### software. (removed profanity ^jtranber)

    Classy Adam. I don’t think you’re the type of customer Adobe wants anyways. Move along…..

    Is there any way to get rid of these kind of posts, which only interrupts my learning?

    And what a loss to photography you’d be, Adam…

    >> I would stop shooting photos before I started using your piece of shit software

    Don’t worry, Lightroom wasn’t really intended for the likes of you, stealing your mommy’s iPhone when she wasn’t looking, and taking pictures of your still full diaper. It is meant for people who know how to use computers.

Photography is not only stills these days. Please include at least Premiere Elements to let us photographers have a completete software suite.

So many puns here. Where to even begin?

Whoa! This news causes serious concern for one of my clients who has thousands of images catalogued in Aperture, a good percentage of which have been manipulated. She’s got photography dating back decades and certainly won’t want to lose the versions she’s created in Aperture.

Along with others, I’ll be on the lookout for migration solutions from Aperture to Lightroom or another software program.

Also, is there a way to import the metadata into Bridge?

    Just make sure you save the metadata to files (side car XMP or convert to DNG and save the metadata directly with the files).

What does adobe have against android? What’s the quiet beef about?

I would really like to see the facial recognition come to lightroom. That is pretty much the one reason I haven’t made the switch completely to light room. As someone else said – I love being able to make smart albums of pictures that include the facial recognition. For example – create a smart album of all photos of Person A and Person B taken in 2011.

Already a subscriber to the Photography program (from a while back), but still using Aperture with a catalogue of 100K+ images primarily because of its Light Table feature as it allows me to brainstorm possible montage layouts extremely quickly. Does Lightroom (or any other cataloging software) have such a feature?

Secondly, what is the difference between the previous Photography plan and the recently announced plan (if anything)?

I’ve been waiting for an announcement from Apple about Aperture, but been thinking about moving to Photoshop or Lightroom for a while.

Now I just checked the link in the statement and looked into the cost.

Can someone explain why the subscription is $9.99 a month for the US, but €12.29 ($16.77) in Europe?

Surely it’s the same system, the same content and requires no shipping?

Why such a price difference – nearly $7 a month more?

    Because Adobe is an unethical thief that builds overly complicated, user-unfriendly bloated products with no serious competition.

    US price is without sales tax. EU price includes VAT at around 20%

Taxes…

I came to the Adobe site to take a look at Lightroom, but was stunned to find that you cannot buy Lightroom, you can only rent it.

I’m just one voice, but no sale on those terms.

    Lightroom 5 can still be purchased as a “boxed” version.

      It’s interesting in that I only found that on Amazon. On the Adobe site, while I’m sure it can be found, everything but everything points to rental.

      And my understanding is that you can no longer get Photoshop except by renting it.

      I have no faith that Adobe is willing to continue to sell me software, when they are clearly so desperate to rent it.

      I’m sure it’s a great deal for Adobe.

      It’s just lousy for customers that never stop paying. The creative cloud costs $50/month. That’s $600 a year whether you improve anything or not. Over 30 years, I’m looking at almost $20K. That’s crazy talk and it’s a non-starter.

      And lots of people want me to rent from them. Microsoft wants me to rent office. Cable wants me to rent access to TV, newspapers and magazines want me paying rent. My car dealer wants me to rent cars from them. It’s a fool’s game.

No way am I ‘renting’ software. It works out ridiculously expensive. There are plenty of other alternatives.

Not everyone can afford, or needs to pay a fortune per year and have their usage cut off the moment they stop paying… Pure greed by Adobe…

    >> No way am I ‘renting’ software. It works out ridiculously expensive

    Seriously? You need to call your math teacher and ask for a refund. If you use Photoshop and Lightroom and upgrade every 3-4 years, it is more expensive than the $10 model. How any person who need Photoshop and Lightroom would call $120 a year expensive is beyond me. I spend significantly more e month on coffee than I do on Adobe Software and I subscribe to the entire CC offering.

Is everyone forgetting that Apple is building a new photo application into iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite software? It was demo’d at WWDC.
I do use Lightroom and Photoshop but also iPhoto for my iOS photos and to be able to display my digital photographs from my DSLR on my iPad and iPhone. I am not panicking because Apple will no longer support iPhoto because they have new photo software coming this fall to take the place of iPhoto.

Any plans to implement Aperture functionality that LR does not have in LR itself? Being able to choose the master (JPEG or RAW) is a useful feature as sometimes I am happy with the JPEG generated by my camera and feel no need to spend time processing it.

As we are talking Lightroom here, it is well documented that Lightroom is available with a perpetual license and is going to be in the foreseeable future.
If you aren’t happy with subscription payments what do you do for your phone, power, etc?????

I started Lightroom trial for migrate in this weekend,
I felt lack of some useful functions of Aperture.
1. List View
2.When Import, Timestamp based Auto split for collection.
3.Need More Images for Grid view, no need for ‘mounted slide’ metaphor , it waste area of screen.
4.Display metadata for second monitor.

Will Adobe start fixing the multiple bugs of Lightroom on OS X now?

I’ve been testing Lightroom only for several hours and found at least 3 severe bugs in the UI. Scrolling or selecting often does not work in the Library view, parts of the picture can not be edited with the brush, etc.
All these bugs could be resolved by restarting LR. Come on Adobe, restarting? Seriously? That gives me a Windows like feeling from the 90ies & is the reason why I dropped the whole MS ecosphere years ago in favour of OS X.

All these bugs seem to be originated in the fact that Adobe does not use platform default widgets but decided to code it’s own (probably because they want ‘corporate identity’ in their products). This is NEVER EVER A GOOD IDEA!

I am one of those photographers who has built up a large (1.5 TB) library in Aperture, and am contemplating the move to Lightroom after the Apple announcement. The two big features for me that I am concerned about are:
1. The ability to store my images externally (in my case on a network drive), but have the app keep the catalog, edits *and a lower-res copy* locally – so I can still view, search and categorize all images on the move when my master image drive is disconnected
2. Edits. I have done a lot of non-destructive editing (mainly cropping and tweaking color and brightness levels) in Aperture, and don’t want to lose those. Just exporting the processed images isn’t really satisfactory. Obviously Apple’s algorithms and storage of these settings is proprietary so migration if these is difficult – if Apple did something bold like open-sourced the filters and the data standard could someone develop a true importer for Lightroom?
Thanks for your help.

    1. This is what “Smart Previews” are for.
    2. It’s possible we could come close, but the ingredients from their proprietary adjustments are different from our ingredients. If you want a pixel perfect match, you will want to save a fully rendered version as a 16-bit Tiff or, at a minimum, a JPEG.

I would like to be able to sync Smart Collections between devices, but when I create/right-click (mac) the smart collection, unlike non-smart Collections, I don’t get the option to sync them. Am I doing something incorrect? This would be a huge drawback for me if this is not possible…

Thanks for your help!

You have all mentioned features I use quite a bit, and did not realize Lightroom had, in the case of views. Lightroom is used by professionals, but has no method for splitting and merging?

Agreed, the “mounted slide” motif is terrible. Even if you have a 30″ screen as some of us do.

No faces is a big blow as well. Even if Lightroom didn’t have Facial recognition, at least the ability to tag faces would help.

Not sure I can get past the subscription model. I’d always be looking at that on my bill, thinking, what am I doing? I might do it if Lightroom had feature Parity with Aperture, but having to swallow both–the thrill would be gone.

At least there are other options for professionals. Checking out those next…

    Lightroom remains available as a perpetual license product if that’s what you need.

If Lightroom was scriptable, as both iPhoto and Aperture are, then Adobe would already have a good answer in place for moving data from Aperture to Lightroom, and the community could create custom solutions that would fit their needs *now* rather than having to wait for Adobe to come up with all the answers.

I wait for that for a long time especially that is on several devices such as iPhone and on MAC when i am in the office.
On the other hand why a difference of the prices for registration(us / Europe)!!

Hi there,

the most important thing I expect from Adobe now is to provide a (semi)automated way of migrating large Aperture libraries to Lightroom. This needs to handle complex scenarios too. For example, the only reason I have kept a Mac around, was for Aperture. Going forward, I will switch back to PC. So, any migration from Aperture to Lightroom needs to be able to handle importing large Aperture libraries from a Mac drive to a Lightroom library managed on a PC. I also expect to keep my image adjustments and all meta data applied in Aperture as well as the Project/Album organisation from Aperture.

I know all of this is challenging and complex, but I am confident Adobe can solve this and sees the great opportunity of binding a sizable and considerable group of disgruntled Apple prosumers to its customer base.

    We’re working on a way to more easily migrate. Stay tuned.

id rather die then pay monthly for ported software… tried a free version and it feels like I’m using windows… None the less Apples Photos will still be better then your software… BTW Pixalmator is so much better you should take some hints on usability.

    Lightroom was developed on Mac and is a native Mac app.

Hello, i use aperature and now i bougth the Adobe Photographycloud Solution. But i have many Macs. Is it planned to bring Lightroom in the Appstore? So i can buy it once and use it on all my devices – like Aperature at this time.

Thanks a lot :).

Eeven I like Aperture very much, but for last 5 months I am using the app Pixelmator for editing the photos. Aperture’s organization is much better, if you prefer a database. Now Adobe would be so happy as due to discontinuation of Aperture Lightroom can attract more customers.

i like aperture very much adobe would be so happy as due to

C’mon Adobe. Just because I live in Hong Kong doesn’t mean I read Chinese. Key pages keep defaulting to Chinese despite me having selected English as my preferred language. A very frustrating customer experience

I want conjunction of star rating and flag “rejected”, so Aperture style rating operation.

I also want that lightroom mobile sync with smart collection.

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One of the features to keep with Aperture as along as possible is the excellent slideshow.
It gives the ability to chose very precise when and how to change from one picture to the next, even the transition time and so on. As long as LR5 or further does not make their slideshow as good, I keep with Aperture.
For excellent RAW developement I have to say, LR5 is much better, just the Lens Correction is state of the art. LR could be more flexible with their panels and modules and some features for ordering (just to mention one).
As of this reading I keep with LR5, export as tiff and import into Aperture for slideshow.
Uwe

I want more keyboard shortcuts, i.e second monitor zooming on individual ratio (full,all,1:1,”pre-selected ratio”)

I’m dismayed and annoyed that Aperture is being dropped.
However, Lightroom was an alternative. The reason I went with Aperture rather than Lightroom was because of the Faces and Face recognition. (But it doesn’t work all that well with Aperture anyway).

I have a large collection of family photos (22,000) dating back to about 1860. They are pretty much all in JPEG format. There are a few videos in there too. All the early versions…..up to around the year 2001 have been scanned as digital images. This has created all sorts of problems with setting dates for photos because the default date is the date they were scanned.

So I have had to manually set dates for all my photos up until the late 1990′s when cameras started recording the date automatically. This is a bit of a shambles with Aperture….it overrides manual decisions and adds time differences between photos….sometimes gaps of days or even years.

I have also added a lot of metadata, such as keywords, location, the event, etc. And I have tweaked a lot of the photos …cropping, contrast, sharpness, colour, black point definition etc. I’ve even added face names to keywords (via an Applescript) so I could search on faces. I have 32,000 identified faces.

I am currently able to produce a Smart Album that contains all photos of one branch of the family with a particular surname..over a ten year period or a 150 year period. This is extremely useful for sharing the family photos. I can also sort on various keywords or on dates etc. I have a lot of “keywords” …maybe 1,000. But I certainly want a lot more than something as vague as outdoor, or portrait.

I have manually applied face names to people in some family photographs even where their back was towards the camera (Because, I want to be able to select all the photos where they were present).

I currently load photos into iphoto and synch iphoto with various devices: IMac, iPhone, IPad air, Macbook. I select best images from iphoto and then export to Aperture where I do editing, and add other metadata. It means that Iphoto is the defacto archive of all images (about 55,000) and Aperture is where I keep the best photos. I have also commenced rating the photos with the star system so I can select all the 5 star photos etc.

If I’m going to switch to Lightroom, then I would like to see that most of the metadata and structure can come with the photos. That means, at a minimum: Date photo was taken (even if this has been set manually from a scanned image); faces, related to image, cropping, event name (and grouping), keywords, rating. And, I would want to see great sorting ability on all these parameters.

I would like the facial recognition ability to come too but, as i said above, it’s not especially good with Aperture so improvements are warranted. And I’d like all the image editing to come too. Though this is a secondary consideration. And I’d like all the smart album and sorting abilities to follow also.

There are some improvements that would be useful. The ability to give a collection of photos to family members who run a windows based system or an apple system so that they could use the common sort on key words, or sort by version name, or date, or face names etc.

I would also like to be able to print a group photograph which has the names inserted or, better, printed around the edge with lines linking to the actual faces, so that school class photos were not totally obscured by names.

Inevitably, with family photos, various family members have swapped ggod images, reproduced them from transparencies, or colour negatives and so on. So that when one tries to consolidate a family collection you end up with massive numbers of duplicates. So one other thing that would be extremely useful is the ability to have similar images automatically grouped…even where they looked quite different (Image might have been cropped differently or have a different (guessed) date.

I also find two apple scripts to be extremely useful. One gives me statistics on faces. The other adds the face names to the keywords. (Admittedly, the latter feature will not be used if faces data can be given out to family members and they can sort on their own computers …..using Windows.

So that’s my wish list. IF you can deliver something like this then I will probably make the switch. I really do not want to have to reclassify, re-edit, rename, redo faces etc. on 22,000 images. (Oh, and I’d like something like this to be available also for iPhoto so I can bring across my archival collection of “all photos”.)

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