Adobe Systems Incorporated

Refocusing our Touch App Development

Over the past year, we’ve been exploring how the creative process can be augmented and enhanced on touch devices. While some of our efforts have been successful, others have been less so. Therefore, starting today, we will no longer be updating Adobe Debut, Adobe Collage, Adobe Proto, or the Android versions of Adobe Ideas and Adobe Kuler.

If you have these apps installed on your iPad or Android tablet you can continue using them, but we will not be providing bug fixes or updates. We will continue to provide support in our forums, so if you have questions you can reach us there or contact Adobe Customer Care.

We will keep supporting and developing our other Adobe Touch Apps and exploring other ways to enhance creative workflows on tablets.

 

UPDATE – 1/3/13 - Sorry everyone — all comments were unintentionally posting to a spam folder. Thanks for all the feedback. We’re going through and making sure all the comments get posted and will respond as soon as possible.

 

UPDATE – 1/4/13 - We recognize that many of you are unhappy about our recent decision to stop supporting some of the Adobe Touch Apps. We apologize for any inconvenience and frustration caused by this decision. We’re listening, have considered the issues, and really do appreciate all of your feedback.

As a company, we strive to make great products and truly value customer input along the way. We’ve learned a lot in the process of releasing these apps and, frankly, we believe we can do better. But, the only way to do this is to focus. So, we made the difficult decision to stop supporting some apps in order to create better ones. We have in no way stopped our investment in mobile and tablets. How-to support for the discontinued apps will continue to be available through our forums. And, in addition to supporting the remaining apps, we’re actively working on new and better products to help the creative process – so we hope you’ll stay tuned for future announcements.

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

 

COMMENTS

  • By Alan Shutko - 10:50 AM on December 20, 2012  

    By other apps, do you mean just Photoshop Touch, and iOS Ideas? Or do you also include Color Labs, Eazel, and Nav?

    • By David B - 11:01 AM on January 4, 2013  

      Currently just Photoshop Touch and iOS Ideas.

    • By Jill Soley - 9:30 AM on January 8, 2013  

      Eazel, Nav, and Color Lava are also still available through the App Store

    • By scooer - 3:42 AM on February 8, 2013  

      Yus

  • By Christopher - 11:01 AM on December 20, 2012  

    Well, this seriously sucks. At least you could provide compatibility updates for them, so they can be used on the very popular Nexus 7. Especially Kuler is worthy of continued support and I don’t see why you cannot update it for a device with the same resolution as most 10 inch tablets. And why still for iOS and not Android? Having bought many of the above mentioned programs and then moved from a Galaxy Tab 10.1 to a Nexus 7 the only program I can still use is Photoshop Touch. Also it’s a bit of a joke to link to “other” Adobe Touch Apps, when the only other one is Photoshop Touch (for Android).
    It’s really a weird move. Touch devices become increasingly popular, with Android catching up in leaps, and Adobe drops its support. Bad move!

  • By David - 11:13 AM on December 20, 2012  

    One of the reasons I wanted the Creative Cloud was for the use of Debut to collaborate with clients. Very disappointed to hear this. Need to re-evaluate the creative cloud.

  • By chris - 11:26 AM on December 20, 2012  

    great, the first app i was really excited about and now it’s dumped? why is there training for it in the creative cloud training?

    • By David B - 11:04 AM on January 4, 2013  

      We are keeping the training available for those who already have the apps.

  • By j-money - 11:33 AM on December 20, 2012  

    What’s with the Android hate, yo?

  • By Ryan Nielsen - 8:23 PM on December 20, 2012  

    That is to bad. I enjoyed the Kuler app and also the Proto app. Allthough I wish the proto app had a few additional features (namely the ability to add colors and different screens sizes i.s tablet and phone).

    I have the photoshop touch app but dont use it as it doesnt have layers. I hope you guys will consider adding layers to the mix

    • By David Baxter - 11:13 AM on January 4, 2013  

      Photoshop Touch does have layers, you might be thinking of Photoshop Express.

  • By Batifoulier Clement - 7:24 AM on December 21, 2012  

    What a pity ! Adobe Ideas is pretty amazing … but i hope there will be some new inovating apps coming soon ! :)

  • By Brenda Armster - 9:10 AM on December 21, 2012  

    I am glad I decided to check here before calling in about the Touch Apps that are missing from my membership. So, will there be an app similar to to Proto, Collage, or Debut coming out in the future?

    • By David Baxter - 4:53 PM on January 4, 2013  

      Hi Brenda,

      What the future apps will be is still being decided at this point.

    • By Jill Soley - 11:24 AM on January 5, 2013  

      We can’t share what we’re working on yet, but please watch for announcements in the coming months…

      • By Jeb Johnston - 7:25 AM on January 10, 2013  

        I honestly don’t know if they will be worth it. I enjoy my Photoshop app, but the apps that I really could use a removed and never given a real reason. How can you convince us that we won’t end up in the same position next December?

        • By Singleton makin - 11:13 AM on February 21, 2013  

          Well it seems that both Apple and Adobe have an over productive ‘brainstorming ideas’ hurrying to throw out the next best thing! Only to retort and confuse the hell out of its users in the process

          When apple released Final Cut Pro X I felt like my brain had been split in half!
          So now I am trying to learn Smoke and Nuke and anything else so I can have a backup plan

          Same thing with Adobe although they always have the stable CS suite and I commend them for focusing strong and not drifting because it drew me in too after the apple fcpx debacle

          But now I’m just getting to experiment with touch
          I own ideas and express
          Not touch because I was trying to learn the values for the Lightroom vs photoshop workflow

          And that is where I will end

          When they make these changes to a program it always is going to happen every new version will drop some things and add new more effective

          Like image ready was dropped and now it’s in photoshop cs6

          So it’s a matter of user communication and not just the brainstorming of the creatives in the drawing room thinking what ‘they’ think will be the way it should go!

          I trust adobe will surprise us and keeping it simple is one way to make it easier on our brains

          Too many software gadgets and gizmos get confusing

          So I agree with their approach to focus!!!

          • By navanax - 10:02 AM on May 31, 2013  

            I’ve been doing this since 1994 as a University student with a fine Art major (PS had no layers when i forst saw it and it was so expensive, the Sate University could only afford one copy (for the “teachers” office computer – not that she taught anything). i transferred to CSU Monterey Bay, spent my final semesters there for my BA, interned in pubs/CMYK output, and freelanced for 3 departments as a designer.
            All I had to do back then was say the word when the latest version of “whatever” came out and i would have my own copy within a weeks time.

            They seem to have changed since the quashing of Quark and Macromedia — and I feel your pains. I can’t even afford the software anymore. I rely on thrift store finds (so I get no support).

  • By Franklin - 9:15 AM on December 21, 2012  

    I understand the changes needs to be according the market and the future. However, until today I see a very quickly discontinue alot of Adobe products, in this cases the touchs apps are very new, and after few time you discontinue. Not is a risk?? maybe alot of people will think 2 times before use new products from Adobe.

  • By Pariah Burke - 11:31 AM on December 21, 2012  

    Your decision is premature. Tablets and touch apps are still in the early stages of adoption. You need to give the Adobe Touch Apps more time than 7.5 months.

  • By Herman - 1:08 AM on December 23, 2012  

    Hey, I would like to know how irresponsible for your team to suddenly take out the apps from the play store without notice to the users who purchased this application? How about if I still wanna use it as if it don’t have any new upgrade? such as I still wanna install Adobe Collage that I purchased on my another new Android tablet just bought. But I cannot do anything as the app already gone from the market.

    • By David B - 11:09 AM on January 4, 2013  

      Please post about your issue on the Adobe Collage user forum. It will be easier to assist you there.

  • By Tommie Anderson Jr. - 10:27 AM on December 23, 2012  

    I just started utilizing Adobe Proto for my mockup design for my clients and found it to be a very valuable tool. It makes the process work seamlessly. Mockup site with client, transfer to Dreamweaver, and add the final touches. Easy as pie, and is not that your mindset when you develop you products. To make live easier. That being so, I plead with you to continue your support of the Adobe Proto product.

    • By Zede - 11:00 PM on February 6, 2013  

      You are pleading with the wrong people. Adobe Proto is (was) a product made clearly out of passion.

      Then some corporate zombie that cannot understand anything but the bottom line discontinued it.

      The people you are talking to have no power. They probably fight with themselves to maintain some shred of enthusiasm.

      It is useless to beg for reconsideration.

  • By Steven Stoll - 5:45 AM on December 24, 2012  

    All you have to do is correct the layering issue with android users, and make both OS platform verison identical. That would be the best fix for Ideas.

  • By Brandon - 10:10 PM on December 24, 2012  

    Bah humbug.

  • By Alex Boden - 4:59 AM on December 25, 2012  

    Bummer, I was hoping proto would continue to be developed, what are you guys working on instead of proto, Ivan you suggest a wireframe programme

  • By Biagio Di Stefano - 9:00 AM on December 26, 2012  

    How can i download Adobe Proto extension for Dreamweaver?

    • By Andrew Shorten - 10:00 AM on January 4, 2013  

      Hi,

      The Proto extension for Dreamweaver is included as part of the 12.0.1 (and later) updaters for Dreamweaver CS6 – you can download the update from here: http://www.adobe.com/support/dreamweaver/downloads_updaters.html

      We are investigating making the extension available for separate download for customers using Dreamweaver CS5 and CS5.5 and will provide an update here in due course.

      Thanks,
      Andrew (@Adobe)

  • By Margaret Balambo - 11:32 AM on December 26, 2012  

    You will be refunding at least 80% of my money on all unsupported applications then right? I paid the high price because I was paying for the amazing Adobe support and future updates. I am a loyal customer and expected that I would continue to receive the excellent Adobe service across all platforms. Don’t prove my expectations wrong, loyalty is hard to gain and rather simple if not easy to loose. At the very least, release the programs so the community can continue to develop it where you have dropped the ball. You know we will pick it up and run with it.

  • By mark - 7:42 PM on December 27, 2012  

    i cannot even express my level of disappointment to this news. i purchased a nexus 7 and patiently waited for 7inch form factor support for what i thought would be a perfect pairing with my tablet. i have yet to find a useful vector program to use with the tablet. now i find out that there are no plans to make this happen. thank you for the disappointing news adobe.

    • By Singleton makin - 11:24 AM on February 21, 2013  

      Sometimes it’s best to buy a workstation instead of a prototype

      Android is or was prototype for a lot of apps for years

      But there are so many free apps on google play or store

      You could find a solution way before waiting for something
      If you have the work? The aviary programs would work on your machine yesterday

      So don’t complain when a vendor doesn’t
      Provide you for a piece of technology you bought just because it was cheaper than an iPad

      That is the difference

      You can’t expect to wait wait wait

      Time is money and business is productivity

      Go look for google free apps if you are not happy here

      But eventually you might be back because Adobe is always on top

      They have been for years

      • By mauro - 4:00 PM on May 7, 2013  

        Shut up clown, the galaxy note 10.1 is better from all points of view than your useless ipad.

        • By Jim - 10:34 PM on May 18, 2013  

          So says the android fan boy….

  • By lindaevansdavis - 5:20 AM on December 28, 2012  

    I am pissed beyond belief. I just bought a Galaxy Note 10.1 so that I could use the wacom technology with touch apps. I overspent on underdeveloped touch apps, and now I have to return my tablet for an iPad and fat end stylus and repurchase touch apps. I feel extremely ripped off. Plus, I’ll have to wait god knows how long for the return process to complete and to receive the iPad. I am a loyal adobe cloud customer, and I feel like I’ve been robbed of time and money.

  • By Mike - 6:40 AM on December 28, 2012  

    This is dumb. I just barely bought Adobe Proto and now I cant even download the extension that will allow me to import them into dreamweaver?! I can understand that you don’t want to support them anymore but to take away resources that are already available is so dumb. I demand either a refund or the file extension.

  • By Philipp Auer - 11:12 AM on December 28, 2012  

    Then maybe you should stop promoting it on you Website^^
    Still Iam sorry to hear that.

  • By Paper Acrobat - 6:28 AM on December 30, 2012  

    I understand you not developing Adobe Ideas for Android, but why stop selling it without any warning. Many people have bought Android tablets for Xmas – just seems like a crazy time to do this and no phase out period?

  • By Gina - 6:33 PM on December 31, 2012  

    Sad to hear adobe collage changed my life. It needed to be able to export with playable videos but other than that it was a great tool for quick layouts and I’m sorry other people won’t get a chance to use it.

  • By Ana - 9:20 PM on January 1, 2013  

    Hi,
    Will you make another app to replace the adobe proto? I really think that the app was a great idea to sketch anywhere you are (I work with Muse and Dreamweaver) and export to other software.
    I was going to by it, but suddenly it disappeared from the app store.

    Many Thanks,
    Regards,
    Ana

  • By Gilberto Marques - 9:01 AM on January 2, 2013  

    I’m disappointed, hoped the Adobe Ideas was updated with the features of the iOS version.

    I’m extremely disappointed.

    =(

  • By jeremy - 11:29 AM on January 2, 2013  

    I am disappointed that you aren’t going to continue development of these apps. Yet you continue to pour money into new products like Adobe Muse. A worthless POS. I like Proto, I use Proto. I bought the other two iPad apps and barely use them. However, I was looking forward to a Kuler app for the iPad. I am a little disappointed by these quiet moves. First there was Flash, now this. Are you going to EOL the Creative Cloud next? Or perhaps you are going to get rid of other useful tools like PhoneGap and Business Catalyst. What’s up? What’s next

  • By ashwin - 4:08 PM on January 2, 2013  

    good

  • By Anthony Sherritt - 6:15 PM on January 2, 2013  

    Now I’m really starting to get pissed off! I showed everyone in my office Proto got them all excited about it. Started using Collage and Kuler. You guys pulled the same stunt with Flex Catalyst. You just keep pulling your punches, providing great solutions and then nbot giving them time to catch on. I’m a paid cloud member. I want some certainty that when I pour some time in money into learning a solution, that it’s serious.

    • By Trae Maeder - 12:05 AM on January 4, 2013  

      I couldn’t agree more. Most of those touch apps were a part of why I became a cloud member, yet they pull the plug before I even have a chance to download them. Come on Adobe, give your products a fair chance.

  • By Mitch Gates - 6:03 AM on January 3, 2013  

    So, how the heck am I supposed to buy 3 Touch apps now and get the promised free month of Creative Cloud credited to my account if you only offer 2 products?

  • By chana messer - 6:03 AM on January 3, 2013  

    Disappointed to hear that Kuler, Proto, Collage not going to be part of the Adobe Touch Apps in the future. I have been promoting it to our groups in so many events and got people very excited about it. I do hope Adobe will continue to develop the Touch Apps in the future.

  • By Buck Sommerkamp - 12:09 PM on January 3, 2013  

    This is *very* disappointing. I was just getting started with Photoshop Touch, and while I realize it isn’t one of the apps on its death bed (yet), you do realize it ONLY just started working on the Nexus 7 tablet very recently? Thus…now that I have one of the apps, I was hoping to start using others. This announcement was buried in three paragraphs, quietly leaked out just as everyone was preparing for the holidays, on a blog that maybe we should all check more often, lest we miss other announcements. I feel pretty stupid recommending Creative Cloud and the accompanying touch apps if I have no assurance that it will all be around in six months…a year…two years.

    I’m not sure what you’re planning to “refocus” on; why not focus on the just-germinating products you’ve brought us in the past 6 months?

  • By Jeremy - 1:42 PM on January 3, 2013  

    I was waiting and waiting for the time when these would be ready for the Nexus 7 and I could finally create on my tablet the way your marketing materials depict. So much for that! Very disappointed.

  • By Jason Resnick - 3:31 PM on January 3, 2013  

    I’ll be looking forward to it!

  • By Kai Koenig - 4:22 PM on January 3, 2013  

    This is another very sad and premature decision by some Adobe executives behind board room doors without any sense of the reality.

    You’ve launched the Adobe Touch apps 7, 8 months ago. How can you expect to make a decision about their future when the tablet market is just about to being developed? You haven’t sold that many apps as expected? Sure – I do get that, but does someone at Adobe realise that you have to take your users with you? Give it some time to get people to upgrade to CS6 or to Creative Cloud.

    After the 2011 Flex debacle, this is unfortunately just another reason to mistrust Adobe as a company. How can one nowadays trust Adobe to still support technology X, Y or Z in 6 months or a year’s time from now, I seriously struggle to.

  • By Nigel - 5:19 PM on January 3, 2013  

    Thanks so much for showing all the new features that the Ideas ios update brings and for keeping Android users in the dark since releasing the Ipad upgrade, leaving us wondering when we’ll get these new features too.

    Is it really that hard to do one last update for Android that will make the app usable? Adding more layers and brush options, can it really be that hard to develop for the platform?

    If you were going to use Android as a testing ground for your touch apps, you could have had the decency not to rob your customers of £6.99 per app. Your lack of response to your customers regarding this issue is a disgrace.

  • By Kevin Stohlmeyer - 7:33 PM on January 3, 2013  

    How can you say the touch apps did not do well when you did not even release Proto on the iPad until 6 mo. ago? You did not even release the rest of the apps on the iPad. The iPad has over 50% of the tablet market and not releasing Debut, Kuler or Collage on the iPad skews your results. I’ve been presenting the touch apps to user groups around the country and the interest was there if not for the steep price point. Take a note from Ideas – offer the apps for free, develop them, then charge a smaller fee after a limited term. Seems to have worked for Ideas. $9.99 was a bit steep except for PS.

  • By Anthony Sherritt - 7:38 PM on January 3, 2013  

    As a Flash/Flex developer, this is yet another in a long line of sudden, distressing moves by your company. Are you guys taking your cues from the HP playbook? I purchased 2 touch apps, and showed many people in my office Proto. There was a lot of excitement.
    You guys can’t keep offering functionality then yanking it. Why are you investing in the program in the first place if you don’t plan to follow through?
    Plan better and communicate a LOT better. Please. I beg you. Many of us make our living from Adobe products and you are spooking our clients and making us look bad.

  • By Trae Maeder - 11:51 PM on January 3, 2013  

    I’m a current web development student, and when I got my new iPad one of the first things I was hoping to download was Proto, but it’s no longer available! All of the Touch apps looked really neat, and were things myself as an aspiring developer/designer would like to experiment with and try to use in my work. You guys couldn’t have just left them in the store and kept updating? This is extremely disappointing.

  • By PECourtejoie - 12:28 AM on January 4, 2013  

    I’m also very surprised by the premature disposal of many of those applications… and upset because it happened the very day before I finally got a tablet!

    After Project Rome, it’s another sudden death for disrupting applications (Proto was very interesting in that matter!)

    I know that the policy is not to talk about unannounced products, but the timing of the announcement and the disappearance of the products from the store was not the best that could have been chosen. Maybe announce that users could get them for a limited period of time?

    I hope that there would be also clear communication about support of the app’s files in future versions of the desktop applications or not, and if Kuler for iPad is still on the roadmap or not, what about the Photoshop apps etc.

    The Adobe site looks strange, with a link to the touch apps, and one for the mobile apps, both with a Ps touch icon, with the latter leading to this page through multiple redirects: http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/software.edu._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_education_sl_popular.html

    Also, why is Revel just a link on the touch apps pages?
    I’m surprised that there is not more effort to showcase it?
    (Many prominent PMs and Evangelists still use Instagram… It’s good to see freedom in the apps they use, no NIH -Not Invented Here -syndrome and, on the other hand might be an alarm bell about the future direction of Revel)

    • By Kevin Goldsmith - 9:49 AM on January 5, 2013  

      Adobe Revel is still very much in development, in fact releasing a new version right before the holidays. You can get more information about Revel on adoberevel.com or photoshop.com, we are very active in providing information there.

  • By Shawn - 8:25 AM on January 4, 2013  

    Adobe you have a lot to learn about how to handle customer trust.

    You can’t just constantly kill off projects cause they don’t meet some short-sighted goals.

    Basically, you Adobe, have serious commitment issues.

    If the apps weren’t profitable, you should at least just scaled down to a skeleton crew of 1 or 2 people to keep the apps alive for a few years and support new form factors, that’s called respecting your commitments and user’s.

  • By Phillip Librojo - 9:36 AM on January 4, 2013  

    At the very least can we have the extensions back for the touch apps? I feel a bit discouraged with adobe since I have all this great software on my iPad but now cannot use them to their full potential. I had already integrated much of my preliminary workflow with these touch apps but only lately have had the desire to fully integrate with my development stages. Please Adobe, bring back the extensions.

    • By Jill Soley - 11:27 AM on January 5, 2013  

      Please see Andrew Shorten’s post above about how to get the Dreamweaver extension. The other touch app plugin is still available from creative.adobe.com/apps. If you have any trouble, post your questions on the user forum and someone should be able to help you.

  • By Sankesh - 11:15 AM on January 4, 2013  

    Can your make your Adobe touch apps for Blackberry playbook and Blackberry 10 device’s we are waiting for great apps from you we need your apps apps please make it for BB10….

  • By Giniu - 11:29 AM on January 4, 2013  

    I was evaluating some extra purchases – wanted to get Ideas and Kuler. I was pretty amazed today when I found out there is only Photoshop Touch in Android Market.

    Too bad… really liked Proto (I work designing web pages and used Proto few times when talking with client) and hoped to see DLNA in Debut, that would be so useful for presentations then – a highest score idea for it http://forums.adobe.com/ideas/1179 – Killing a working application is just so wrong.

    Now I’m sure I will not buy Lightroom, it can disappear any day and I need continuous support for whatever I pick. If you do not revive those and value your customers at least a tiny bit, you should open/share the sources with community – it shouldn’t be hard to find a willing party to continue the effort that way. At least open source application do not vanish just like that, leaving it’s users on their own.

  • By Brooks - 11:52 AM on January 4, 2013  

    Makes perfect sense to me — this tablet thing is just a fad. As far as that goes, why not just kill off the Creative Cloud, too, since the Internet is also a fading fad. I think I’ll pull my old waxer and rubylith tape out of storage. Or are you going to discontinue electricity and glue, too? Geez. Seriously, you guys better have something really, really amazing up your sleeves to gain our trust back out here in tabletland.

  • By Joe martinez - 2:30 PM on January 4, 2013  

    Im very upset to hear adobe ideas is gone i just got the tab 10.1 touch and love the adobe photoshop app and was excited to get adobe ideas and went to purchase and now its gone! Why have it for ios and not droid so stupid! Is there any way to get adobe ideas on my tap any way possible????? Please help oh and adobe yiur team sucks!

  • By Daryl - 8:47 PM on January 4, 2013  

    Of all the Adobe Touch apps, Proto was in my experience the most liked. However, I believe the reason for that is that Adobe has no prototyping app out there that is well supported.

    You have Fireworks which your customers LOVE but since you don’t give it any attention or resources it is buggy, the UI is outdated, and there are unused features that need to be removed and streamlined. Even with that being said, Fireworks is so unique in the market that many people still love it and use it and that number is growing all the time even without you giving it much exposure or support.

    I (like many other web focused professionals) would have never joined the Creative Cloud if Fireworks was not included.

    I sure hope you put the team working on Proto on Fireworks and make it the UI design and prototyping app we really need. The web market is begging for it and a photographer’s photo editing tool (Photoshop) is not the answer nor ever will be. The web is not a photo nor like print design and so you can’t please two or 3 entirely different markets in one application.

    People love Fireworks. They just don’t love its UI or buggy nature. That’s the only reason more people don’t use it. Fix it, Adobe. We’re throwing money at the screen for Fireworks and you don’t seem to want to take it.

    • By Wes - 8:50 AM on February 11, 2013  

      What that man said.

  • By Sally Cox - 10:07 PM on January 4, 2013  

    I was in the process of developing training videos on Proto and other Touch Apps. I worked tirelessly over the past year to develop workflows to show off these tools and since tablets are here to stay, I had absolutely no clue you were going to pull the plug on these. After the Flash debacle and all the backlash from it, I thought Adobe would have learned a crucial lesson on communication with the community that is services. But here we are again . . . I am very disappointed in the loss of these tools, but even more so in the lack of communication. Major fail.

  • By Magda Piechota - 3:00 AM on January 5, 2013  

    This sucks big time. What’s up with all the Android hate? I am a mac user when it comes to computers and laptops, but definitely prefer Android when it comes to the mobile. I was patiently waiting for Nexus 7 friendly version of all the touch apps i bought from you for my 10 inch Android tablet, and now i can see it was useless. Sorry Adobe, but I will think 10 times before i decide to purchase anything from you… Really, really bad move. Many people use Android devices for their creative on-the-go work, and you are simply crossing them out.

  • By Misty Mills - 6:41 AM on January 5, 2013  

    As a User Group Manager, I just want to note that it is difficult to keep up with these changes. While I, like many others, are unhappy about this particular change, I feel others have been doing a great job explaining the reasons I am upset by it. Instead of rehashing that, I would like to express my frustrations at the impact decisions such as this, and the way it has been handled, impact my ability to function as an effective UGM.

    My User Group started back in the Macromedia days, so we aren’t new. Back in those days, we had no problem keeping up with the changes to products and while we received fewer ‘perks’ for having a user group and being part of one, the main focus for us was to help each other learn and figure out things and do so in the presence of other individuals who shared our focus and mindset and problems. It wasn’t about the things we’d get, it was about what we could do for each other.

    When Adobe bought Macromedia and we rolled the UG into an Adobe group, things at first were fine. A bit shaky off and on, and not without growing pains and unique issues that nobody had forseen, but there was a mentality of us all being in it together. Over time that has faded. Being the UGM has become harder and harder as more and more products are constantly rolled out, including patches/updates, and then other products are retired, often without fanfare or warning.

    Over the past two years, active attendance at our meetings has been taking a nosedive. While we still have an active online community in our group, not as many people are making the effort to attend meetings. I’m sure that a good part of the reason is that often, sometimes just weeks or less prior to a meeting that has been scheduled and advertised, the topic of the meeting is rendered moot. It makes it hard to A. scramble to find a new topic in that short amount of time and B. inform everyone that the advertising may reach that the topic has been changed. It leads to stress on myself and my co-UGM and leads to frustration on the membership and potential members.

    Changes such as new products, retirement of old products and everything in between has an impact on more than just the bottom line. Customer support involves more than calling the 800 number to India, which in my case led to my issue never being resolved.

    Stop paying attention to what the competition is doing and start paying attention to what your clients are doing. Support us, the people who use your product, and you will find that you don’t need to try to keep up with every other company out there. We’re the ones in the trenches who know what tools we need to do an effective and good job, so concentrate on giving us those exact tools and we’ll have no reason to look elsewhere for tools.

    • By Zede - 11:15 PM on February 6, 2013  

      Have you ever looked into the eyes of a decision-maker?

      You simply do not count.

  • By Jacob - 8:30 AM on January 5, 2013  

    Is there any way to obtain Proto via the AppStore? I realize it’s not supported.

  • By Jeff Whiting - 10:33 AM on January 5, 2013  

    Very disappointed to hear this. The main reason I chose an Android tablet over an iPad was that the Touch apps seemed to be written for Android first. Proto was particularly useful, and I use Debut as a portfolio, but now they’re all gone from the Play store. I certainly won’t switch tablets or invest in Creative Cloud any longer if Adobe has no commitment to their own products and their users. :(

  • By Chris - 1:50 PM on January 5, 2013  

    Here is an interesting petition to keep the apps alive and accessible in some way. http://forums.adobe.com/ideas/2424

  • By Richard Lucas - 3:13 PM on January 5, 2013  

    Shoddy in the extreme. Your arrogance is unsurpassed Adobe. I purchased the entire set of your touch apps & since my latest update I cannot access the apps on Play. I agree that the apps should have been better; SO MAKE THEM BETTER.!. Just like every other half decent developer. There were NEVER any updates so of course they will fail. No doubt you’ll want to bill us all again for your incompetence. You charged a premium for your apps because you believed that you could. You can only pull a stunt like this once. Take a step back Adobe & look at yourselves. You deserve neither loyalty or success. All this from a company that once represented the very best of breed. How times change.

  • By Stephen Gates - 5:16 PM on January 5, 2013  

    Adobe should be embarrassed. For me the touch apps represented a tangible hope that Adobe had learned their lessons and were finally starting to look at creating the tools their clients needed and not the tools they could give to PR team for a press release to justify the sticker price. I am fed up. I am fed up with believing that you will follow through with anything. I am tired with changing my company, my studio and my process to accommodate a new tool of feature you then decide to throw away 6 months later. I am the guy who appeared in the Adobe CS5 launch video touting CS Review – now dead. I am the guy who sat on a panel at MAX last year touting the Touch Apps – now dead. I am tired of being made to look a fool in my team, my company and my community. There is NO REASON to kill an app before you gave it time to fine an audience or invested anything in learning from launching a new product to refine it into a success. I have been a long time supported of Adobe and I really fed up with such obvious disregard for your customers and their work.

    • By Peter Villevoye - 4:31 AM on January 6, 2013  

      You’re absolutely right, Stephen. While there’s no need to blame Adobe for our own initial enthusiasm and cooperation, I’m also getting more and more reluctant in supporting their new ideas and promotions. People in my communities also start regarding me as the “Adobe Guy” who just tells them to “buy this or that”, or “upgrade before the offer expires”, only to find out later that there was no urge, or need, or even long-term truth in it…

      For 2013, I’m going to reconsider my statuses as “Community Professional”, “Industry Influencer”, and “Partner” in several programs. They make me look more than an under cover Adobe sales rep, than someone who tries to help users find their ways with creative tools.

  • By Kirsten Rourke - 10:31 AM on January 6, 2013  

    You’ve passed off responsibility for support the the forums.

    You say that you ” truly value customer input ” – but you did this with no warning. If you value our input please give us time to give it on issues like this.

    The gist of your response is “We’ve learned a lot… we believe we can do better..the only way to do this is to focus” Adobe is a HUGE company. You couldn’t find anyone to support these until you made something to replace them?

    Many people, including me, have taken the time to post and share out thoughts on this. Please listen to your community.

    Pariah Burke – http://ht.ly/gwxQh

    http://kirstenrourke.com/2013/01/adobe-and-the-death-of-touch-apps/

    http://justinseeley.com/2013/01/05/my-thoughts-on-adobe-killing-touch-apps/

  • By Joe martinez - 6:43 PM on January 6, 2013  

    Adobe is loosing customers doing this kind of stuff to people they really need to pull it together look at all these passed off people who adobe bring back these apps give them a chance. I yiu owe this to the people.

  • By Cynthia Gordon - 3:38 PM on January 7, 2013  

    I’m very sorry to see Adobe drop several of the Touch Apps, without any warning and with no consultation with your huge community. As a User Group Manager, I organized a Touch Apps Workshop just 9 months ago, where Sally Cox did a great job of introducing this software and getting people excited about it. You didn’t give the Touch Apps time to catch on. I was just starting to use Proto for some new client work, and now this. Here today, gone tomorrow….like Flash Catalyst too. Adobe, I think you can do better.

  • By Steve - 6:01 PM on January 7, 2013  

    Blllaarrrrgggghhhh.

    This seems to be a more and more common move by Adobe, as they are constantly missing the mark. Luckily I didn’t buy any of their Touch Apps, but I was seriously considering the Android version of Collage for moodboarding. I didn’t because I felt it was too niche, and I thought that they’d stop supporting it after a while. Yep. I’m a mindreader.

    Don’t you love how these smug developers at Adobe sing the praises of their applications in videos and promotional marketing releases, only to shortly thereafter realize it’s not good enough and simply pull it? Anyone else think Adobe is preying on the irrational loyalty of their target demographic?

    Call it what it is. You product didn’t sell enough, BECAUSE IT WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH, period. Adobe, get your shit together. There should be an absolute uproar from people who bought these products either requesting their money back, or better yet, calling for a class action suit.

    The biggest shame in this is that Adobe will continue to get away with their price gouging, shitty support, horrible forums, and asinine product releases, and we’ll all keep paying the prices because they’re the only game in town… until… until.. that one day that someone comes along with a better product, and Adobe’s antiquated model simply blows away like ash in the wind.

    • By China Catt - 7:43 PM on January 7, 2013  

      I wish there was a “like” button for your comment… Well said!

  • By Steve - 6:15 PM on January 7, 2013  

    Furthermore, they should simply release the APK’s for free.

  • By Sarah Mills - 6:17 PM on January 7, 2013  

    Very bad move, Adobe. I only discovered this after the Christmas break as I was stepping back from work. I purchased all the Touch Apps on both Android and iOS as I believed that Adobe would continue to support and improve them.

    I have next to no use for Photoshop Touch as Sketchbook Pro on a Galaxy Note 10.1 wipes the floor with most other applications, and a brief look at Adobe Ideas some time ago told me I didn’t need to use it.

    And now I find these are the only two left that are going to be supported.. just the one really, considering my main tablet is Android and it seems Adobe do not care about that platform at all. Despite there being Android tablets that have true pressure sensitive styluses and not fat crayon-shaped sticks or scratchy discs.

    I suppose I should count myself lucky I managed to install them before you pulled the plug, as any attempt to pull them down on a second Android device fails as they are no longer available.

    “But, the only way to do this is to focus. So, we made the difficult decision to stop supporting some apps in order to create better ones.”

    How about you focus on making the apps that people have invested in better, instead of expecting us to come back and pay for different apps further down the line? Very shabby, and I will think twice before purchasing anything from Adobe through Google Play or the App Store again.

  • By China Catt - 7:42 PM on January 7, 2013  

    Wow!! I just bought Adobe Proto a month ago and was so excited about using the app to mock up websites and this happens???? Bad move!!

  • By Yolanda Nelson - 12:51 PM on January 8, 2013  

    I had Adobe Proto on both the iPad and Android and what I can’t understand is if you are doing nothing else with the Android version, why not make it so that we can send the files by email? The iPad version can send files to your email. I over paid for an app that I can’t even use, let alone if my device crash I will not be able to get the program again. Here is my ultimate question: Is there a way that I can send the .pro files to any place other than the cloud? I don’t see paying $50 per month just to get files from a $10 program since I already paid for Dreamweaver for school.

    • By Jeb Johnston - 7:15 AM on January 10, 2013  

      If I am not mistaken, there is a basic version of Adobe Cloud that is free for up to 2GBs

  • By Peter - 12:59 PM on January 8, 2013  

    I spent a lot of money for the Ideas app and now you are telling me I can’t even get an update with layers, this really just goes to show how Adobe again is dropping the ball, so sad, If you are not going to develop Ideas anymore for the Android System can you at least release the source code for the open source community to work on it???

  • By Mike Mulik - 1:35 PM on January 8, 2013  

    I don’t have time to find out who the person is that made the decision to scrap Proto. I used to have time, because i used Proto for wireframing and it saved me lots of time. But since i don’t, please if you(the person that made that decision) have half a brain, correct that mistake. The creative and development community will reward you. Remember Apple and their own maps?

  • By Steve W - 4:39 AM on January 9, 2013  

    Very disappointed in the news that Proto and many of the other touch apps are going away. As a version 1, Proto was pretty amazing and I was really waiting for version 2. I think with this year’s MAX being more designer focused then ever before it would have been a great opportunity to showcase these apps.

    Since Proto seems to be the app that most people are complaining about, why not make the source code available for others to pick up the ball?

    Hopefully, Mockflow will create native apps or Adobe has something behind the curtain that will make the Edge apps mobile friendly.

  • By Jürgen - 1:55 AM on January 10, 2013  

    “Regardless of your existing process for wire framing and prototyping, Adobe Proto is a great addition to any interactive designer´s tablet. I´m really looking forward to seeing future enhancements to the product, but it is already a caluable addition to my workflow, and it´s an no-brainer at just US$9.99.”

    The Adobe Inspire Magazine promoted Proto in a 9 page article in the December (!) Issue. That convinced me to buy the app, but it was not in the App Store anymore.

    It is a joke.

    And how about the deal to buy 3 Touch Apps and get a free month of Creative Cloud? Cancelled without any notice.

  • By Jeb Johnston - 7:13 AM on January 10, 2013  

    I’m truly disappointed about the removal of Proto. I was actually all set to buy it, I got tired of waiting for the 1.5 update. One of my biggest hurtles with designing websites was in the layout, which is why Proto is so invaluable to me.

    I sincerely hope you reconsider your very poor judgment in this case. If I can’t get Proto from you, then I might have to look elsewhere.

  • By Ron Mutch - 1:40 PM on January 10, 2013  

    I have completely integrated collage, ideas, and proto into my design workflow and have come to rely on its portable-fast-intuitive application. One aspect I would have enjoyed was a more direct integration with each other and with photoshop/illustrator. I am sad that these have been pulled. I will be reluctant to start over again with a new direction unless it improves on the touch app experience. Certainly not if you expect me to reinvest resources in replacement, with the now real possibility, that you will shelve technology without thought of that cost to the user.

  • By Darryl Grace - 9:11 PM on January 10, 2013  

    Adobe Ideas is a touch app, yet you discontinued it for the Android os, WHY?? Did you make a deal will Apple to cut cut out the Android tablets? There is nothing we can do about it and I do not believe Adobe gives a #^*&^% what we the user think or feel, so do not pretend that you do, please. It’s funny how you released an upgrade to Adobe Ideas for the iPad though.

  • By Evan Campbell - 9:54 AM on January 11, 2013  

    Just started on a website project today and had remembered that Adobe made Proto, which many people seemed to like. Went looking for it, found this instead. Huge let down Adobe.

  • By Kayo González - 1:32 PM on January 11, 2013  

    I bought Proto at october 29/2012 , then I lost my iPad. December I bought the new iPad mini, and I can´t install Proto because it´s not on the app store! This is insane!!!

    Would you please refund my $10? or tell me how can I get it again? I work as Information architect and teach at Universidad El Bosque, so I prefer a way to get it again!

    • By Kayo González - 4:22 PM on January 11, 2013  

      Just look out in purchased apps.

  • By Jacq - 6:54 PM on January 11, 2013  

    And here I was looking forward to buying an iOS version of Kuler (I was hoping it was just in development) and Adobe Collage. As far as I know the web version of Kuler won’t work on iOS since it’s flash based (though if I’m wrong PLEASE correct me), and mood boarding in PS Touch sounds clunky at best.

    I hope that this type of functionality will be replaced with new apps or adding on the PS app and that whole “we want to make better apps” isn’t just PR BS.

  • By Tim Hardy - 10:13 PM on January 11, 2013  

    I’ve been searching for a freehand wireframing tool ever since I bought the $50 Omnigraffle app and discovered it doesn’t allow linking between pages like the desktop version. At least I can get a refund. I just found Proto and it sounded fantastic for leveraging the iPad for quick wireframing. Now I discover that you’ve discontinued it after 6 months. I’d probably be interested to pay $10 for an app that isn’t supported if I found it valuable.

    I agree with what another commenter said about releasing the source code as open source or at least allowing people to buy the app.

    There’s a lot of stupid marketing decisions going on these days. Did the guy who got fired from Apple for getting rid of Google Maps come to work for you guys? It sure sounds like it.

  • By Jules - 10:21 AM on January 12, 2013  

    Am I right here? Galaxy/Android mainly not American and perfectly good products.
    Adobe/i pad is…American and again perfectly good products! or do I bark up a tree next door to the truth….with the “There can only be ONE” ringing in our ears.

  • By Ben - 5:50 PM on January 12, 2013  

    Gosh! As a fairly new creative cloud member.. I was really looking forward to using Proto.. and was getting ready to buy an Android tablet.. and now i’m disappointed to find this. Proto looks really great.. I have so many older code websites that I need to replace and make brand new fresh ones with responsive design.. and Proto looked like it would be so useful to quickly build layouts before doing the rest in Dreamweaver etc.. I really hope you will further develop it.. maybe as part of Dreamweaver. From everyone’s comments here.. it seems to have plenty of enthusiasm and interest.. and also makes tablets a more useful productive tool. I wasn’t that interested in tablets until I found applications that could control my music DAW software for recording.. and Proto.. and the ability to draw vector graphics, instead of buying a wacom etc for nearly the same price as an Android tablet. These types of applications really help productivity.. and are just down right cool lol. I won’t buy Apple products .. so please continue support Android as well. Thank you!

  • By Paul Oram - 8:53 AM on January 13, 2013  

    Proto!!! just discovered it, got REALLY excited and then read this. I would have bought this and the whole set of ipad pps. What a great set.

    If I can be added to some kind of list to be notified once you have developed the product to your satisfaction I would be very grateful.

    I am very interested in developing my business with the help of such apps in tandem with dreamweaver/bus. catalyst

  • By Joe - 10:24 PM on January 13, 2013  

    Im done, canceling my creative cloud account.

  • By jez - 6:41 AM on January 15, 2013  

    Please bring back Adobe Ideas for the Android! I have a Samsung Note but the version of Ideas I have just isn’t as good as the one available for the iPad. This is such a shame.

    I hope Adobe can see there is a demand for these products and change their mind!

  • By Dario - 11:36 AM on January 15, 2013  

    I just would like to express my disappointment to this choice (nothing new to other users as it seems).
    Adobe, just anwser these few questions.
    Am I wrong or touch apps were developed FIRST on Android devices (I beg for pardon to all Ipad users, no intention in lynching iOS)
    Wasn’t Apple the first company in trying to exclude Flash and Actionscript from the web.
    And last, as I know, Android users have grown in numbers to the same level (if not even more) to iOs users, so why the hell do you prefer continuing development of apps like Ideas (yes, I am an Illustrator!!!), for which I spent €7,99, only for iOS and not for Android. This is the last touch app I think I’ll ever buy from you guys. Very sorry for that.
    At least I hope you have a very brilliant idea for all those users you cut out..

  • By Don - 12:50 PM on January 15, 2013  

    Sad news, but I am holding back complete panic, I hope you are working on alternatives. In the meantime…

    Adobe Collage is my very favorite iPad App, I use it daily and I (until recently when I realized it was no longer available) evangelized Collage to all my friends and creative colleagues. Adobe Collage makes my iPad do exactly what I hoped it could do when I purchased it, but I had to wait until you released your App for this functionality… and now you have pulled it.

    Please know that the ability to pull images from the Internet and quickly arrange them on a page is vital for visual thinkers, researchers, and is a splendid way to pull and arrange ideas to communicate concepts to others. My fingers are crossed that my purchased copy of Collage will continue to work until you come up with something better… but for now, please know I am very happy with it just as it is and I am a little surprised that you have cheated potential customers out of using it until you have come up with something you deem better.

  • By Philip Powell - 4:11 PM on January 15, 2013  

    Thanks for letting me buy 3 apps exactly three months ago, SOOOO I could claim the free month of CC. Feel cheated, want a refund. I don’t mind if you stop supporting an app, that happens….but I do mind when you take my money. If you refund my purchases…no problem…otherwise, we have a trust issue. And when I don’t trust you anymore, I don’t buy Adobe anymore.

  • By Michael L - 6:05 AM on January 16, 2013  

    Adobe, it seams as though everyone is disagreeing with the move you just made. Not one person responded saying “thank god those apps are gone!”
    Doesn’t that say something? Will your users get a free month of Creative Cloud as a sorry?
    For a multi billion dollar company those iOS apps you canned are probably like the cost of a cup of coffee. I can’t believe you actually canned those apps due to resource issues.

  • By Paul - 12:28 PM on January 16, 2013  

    I am totally disheartened by Adobe’s about face on this product. Do you not stand behind your products? Is your testing insufficient? Does adobe charge full price for a final product that would never have been released if developed by another company.

    It is hard to put my trust into Adobe as a sole supplier of software for my company, when they don’t trust themselves. I expect a more indepth explenation as to why this happened, how it won’t happen again and more importantly what compensation will be given to purchasers of this product. These questions are fundamental in business. I will not purchase Creative Cloud for my Team until I have assurance from Adobe and its irate clients that a succesful resolution has been reached.

  • By Przemysław - 12:37 AM on January 17, 2013  

    No Kuler or Ideas on Android? :(((

  • By Nate - 9:31 AM on January 17, 2013  

    There seems to be a lot of shift in what you actually get with Creative Cloud. And, not everyone wants to pay for the master collection – even if you do get cloud storage and training.

    Adobe needs to support existing CLP customers with different SKUs (at least for Design Std. and InCopy). If you are pulling CLP Maint, then you need to provide a cost-effective way to go with Creative Cloud. Please. CLP are your biggest customers.

  • By Eddie - 11:45 AM on January 17, 2013  

    Adobe. You suck!

  • By Elizabeth - 11:49 AM on January 17, 2013  

    I truly believe adobe will amaze us with an even more amazing app such as proto,
    BC Is already a result CRM wise. So let’s not lose hope!

  • By John - 12:00 PM on January 17, 2013  

    Adobe ideas on Android, please. I love s-pen and wacom feel it.
    Thanks.

  • By Joseph Roberts - 1:17 PM on January 17, 2013  

    Adobe, it’s like you don’t want creatives to like you anymore. Some of this almost seems like you are TRYING to piss customers off, I was really excited about the touch apps, granted they never worked like they should have, but none the less you had great potential in them. I for one was wanting Kuler for my iPhone, snapping colors on the go or at client meetings to use in projects just seemed like a no-brainer awesome feature. Proto and Collage where on their way to being those automatic apps you buy when you get a tablet, I was actually proud of you as a company for making content creation apps for tablets. but now, we don’t even know if you plan to release new version of these tools. and if you are, why negate people from having the ones you previously had until the new ones were done, then reward those early users with an upgrade?

    stop working against us, just because you are the go to tools for design, don’t be an asshole about it.

  • By Sam - 2:10 PM on January 17, 2013  

    I finally decide to purchase an ipad mini and this , Adobe collage was the biggest reason i decided to make the leap, as many of my favourite apps do work on my ipod touch. I’m considering sending the ipad back, listen to your customers, how about listening to them now, and at least give us some spoilers of whether you plan to make similar apps in the future, so we can all make informed decisions,

  • By Daniel - 2:54 PM on January 18, 2013  

    I have bought all the touch apps. Today I found out that ideas, kuler, proto, debut snd collage are suspended. I invested in the apps because I loved the idea and the concept of all touch apps. At present I am totally disappointed because i had high hopes for futher development and enhancemrnts of all touch apps, I still use ideas on a daily basis for sketching. I mean – i feel somehow discriminated when ios gets additional layers and support and android user will be left behind ??. Furthermore – even if development will be discontinued – why removing the apps from playstore without any notice to registered customers (i do use abo of adobe cloud). I think i prefer to sponsor opensource projects like blender or gimp than taking my money to companies that doesn’t care about a single customers like myself

  • By Josh Harwood - 8:49 PM on January 18, 2013  

    How can I initiate a refund for Adobe Proto? Very disappointed.

  • By Cynthia Morgan - 8:32 PM on January 19, 2013  

    I hate to say it, but I’m not surprised. I’ve been an Adobe/Aldus/Macromedia/whatever customer since the very first versions of these software packages. Right after CS3 came out Adobe seemed to lose its customer focus, and ever since buying/upgrading Adobe software is akin to running an obstacle course…with Adobe Customer Support playing the role of “obstacles.”

    They’ve lost my orders, they’ve sent the wrong serial numbers, they’ve accused me of pirating the software (and later had to apologize profusely), they’ve closed support tickets without resolution, they’ve forgotten to get back to me…on and on.

    In the latest debacle, I bought a Creative Cloud subscription, akin to volunteering to be the victim in Russian Roulette. Since May, I never know if the cloud applications will actually work or not. For the past 6 weeks or so I haven’t been able to use any app in the entire suite, so I’ve given up, gone back to my older CS5.5.

    Adobe Customer Support refused to cancel the remainder of my subscription–even though they acknowledged that I couldn’t use the software–until I got mad. They still refuse to reimburse me for software downtime.

    Try to get support for Cloud, and you wind up in knowledgebase hell. Apparently Adobe figured that employees hanging out on forums would resolve the issues.

    One of the big attractions of CS6 was its ability to work with Adobe’s iPad apps, in effect expanding my screen real estate. It was one of the more brilliant efforts they’ve made in the last decade.

    But if they can’t change their business practices to accommodate a subscription model for something as important as their cloud presence, why would anyone think they’d know how to manage (and monetize) mobile applications?

    I hate to say it (and I really do, because I love Photoshop)…I think Adobe’s beginning that long downhill slide. I have just two words for them: Quark Xpress.

  • By Jeff - 5:51 AM on January 21, 2013  

    Why is it that Adobe continues to talk about the exciting possibilities and advantages of cross-platform design and development (especially in the mobile space), and then stops supporting Android touch apps ? Many of you loyal customers like myself are being alienated by Adobe’s sudden abandonment of Android support for mobile applications.

    Adobe is making it very difficult for it’s customers (developers and designers) to continue to support their products as a viable platform, because you seem to be attempting to build your own walled garden, much like apple. Creative Cloud is starting to look less and less appealing if Android users are going to be left out in the cold.

    We need vector drawing that integrates with Illustrator. Ideas had it, but was abandoned without warning. Creative Cloud just got a lot less attractive, as has supporting Adobe in the future. It’s just bad business.

    • By Zede - 11:23 PM on February 6, 2013  

      If you want solid ‘cross-platform’ design just master the best tool for each platform.

      I have yet to see such a cross-platform thingie that is not a failure at its intended goal.

  • By Evelyn - 11:36 AM on January 21, 2013  

    Well moving forward is one thing but taking the apps away entirely in the meantime is still a horrible business move.

  • By Toby - 7:12 AM on January 22, 2013  

    I was going to post an insightful and sympathetic comment about this, but I pulled it to write something more venemous.

  • By Andrew McSwain - 2:44 AM on January 24, 2013  

    I bought the program. My android bricked. Now I can’t redownload it. Is there any way that I can still access the app?

  • By DouglasB - 2:26 PM on January 24, 2013  

    Gee, I wish I had known Adobe was going to abandon the mobile market BEFORE I purchased the mobile apps! Between abandoning Android users and not delivering promised functions to paying customers why am I still using Adobe? Plain simple truth is I have no other choice. If someone came out with a similar product to Photoshop and Dreamweaver I would expect a large market segment to abandon Adobe but until then we don’t have a choice Adobe is king for now.

    Don’t get me wrong PS and Dw are wonderful accomplishments in software. And as a user long before they were taken over by Adobe I think they are great. I could be very happy as long as I don’t ever have a question needing answering, have a problem with their billing department or believe anything Adobe says they will be providing. Just use PS and Dw as is and have no other expectation and you’ll be just fine. The problem arises only if you start thinking about tomorrow.

    PS Personnally I think Adobe and Apple are playing footsie under the table so us Android user won’t suspect ;) lol

  • By nilsen - 4:32 PM on January 27, 2013  

    I used to sync between Android, iPad, iPhone and Mac and was a happy customer. Now, this is unbelievable. Will remove Adobe from my workflow, bit by bit whenever possible and never again go for any new Adobe product on any device. And btw.: this new subscription based cloud solution is no solution anyways. Others have figured that out long ago.

  • By John S - 5:53 PM on January 27, 2013  

    This is totally unfair. Just saying. These apps have most definitely proven useful in professional workflow and I am very disapointed with this decision. You’re aggravating your customers.

  • By Bdog - 12:41 AM on January 28, 2013  

    Making apps isn’t about waiting to sell better, it’s about finding a need and supplying it. You can’t expect to make profit directly from a product, instead of cutting the services and updates, you should have considered supporting and making it better. What you choose is a cowards way. Once you start supplying a need like in Proto, which feeds everyones desire to mock up with touch interface, you are no longer supplying a need, you are also creating a new desire to do the things that way. You are creating a new need for those who didn’t thought they could do things like this. I learned about Proto a couple of days ago and now, it’s already a major disappointment for me to learn how you behave your own ideas and products, while you expect your community to create by using your tools. You should inspire us by giving us perfect tools not block our creativity.

  • By Kurt Brown - 7:36 AM on January 29, 2013  

    As an illustrator, I was just about to buy a Galaxy Note 10.1 with s-pen and Adobe Ideas – - glad I read this first. I was really excited about drawing with the Note and Ideas and the idea of using cloud for everything…. now I don’t know what to do.

    • By Rocky Chronister - 8:04 AM on February 1, 2013  

      Ditto. I was actually considering buying a tablet because of these apps and now they are gone.
      Honestly, I’ve been meaning to do it since Ideas and then Proto (my wife does the web side of our business) came out. We work 50+ hours a week and just recently made our way to the tech box store to touch and feel the Note before buying it.

      I found this when researching compatibility with the device. Bummer.

  • By Kurt Brown - 7:39 AM on January 29, 2013  

    Had I bought the tablet before reading this, I would be very upset. (still upset)

  • By Steve - 7:26 AM on January 31, 2013  

    Adobe’s silence (not weighing in on this on this thread) is deafening.

  • By mrlich - 9:42 AM on January 31, 2013  

    Your mobile software page on adobe.com still has “for Android and iOS” listed for Ideas, but no way to download/purchase – even old versions. I know that you’re not supporting them, but this seemed like a tease.

    Also – I know it won’t matter, but I just have to voice my displeasure at the idea that you’ve backed away from Android. I’m an illustrator and I was really looking forward to using Ideas on my Galaxy Note 10.1 with the s-pen (like others here). I’m not about to go buy Apple products. This means I will not have any choice but to turn to your competitors for vector based illustration software, unless you provide an alternative.

  • By Peggy Lawing - 6:55 PM on January 31, 2013  

    So, now that there are only 2 mobile apps in the app store now, the touch apps are not part of the cloud anymore? Meaning you can’t get credited you your cloud account after you purchase them????? Can’t find the answer to this on the adobe website

    • By David Baxter - 11:58 AM on February 1, 2013  

      Hi Peggy,

      You are correct, the free months credit after purchasing three apps offer went away when we discontinued some of the apps. References to the offer were removed from the Adobe website since it no longer applied. The topic was discussed on the Adobe users forums but not the Adobe website.

  • By Sreekanth - 11:12 PM on January 31, 2013  

    Seems like Adobe will be the Nokia of mobile apps. They may come up with great stuff, but way too late. Thus, ultimately, they will continue to lag behind others forever.

  • By Alastair Moore - 11:48 PM on January 31, 2013  

    Hello Adobe,

    You owe me AU$10.49 for a copy of Proto I paid for and am no longer able to download from the Apple App Store. I have no problem you not supporting it but I can’t access software I paid for. Refund or make it available for download please.

  • By Why not appreciate a little! - 6:08 PM on February 1, 2013  

    While it’s sad that your mobile apps are gone, but Adobe has great killer apps that no one has been able to even grab it’s dust. Like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Muse, and etc. Can’t we just forget about the mobile decision and appreciate all the other great apps Adobe has given us? :)

    • By Zede - 11:26 PM on February 6, 2013  

      Yes, yes, and by doing so life will continue to be beautiful and all people will be nice!

  • By Mike Dean - 8:13 AM on February 2, 2013  

    As some others have indicated, I first bought an Android tablet partly because of Proto which wasn’t aviable then on the iPad. I knew there were issues when updates came for the iPad but not Android. I think the app was partly limited by the fact that it didn’t save to anything but the Creative Cloud and seemed more a tool to point people there rather then fit their workflow.

    Maybe Adobe should give the app to someone else where development could be continued and features like saving to Dropbox or SD could be added. Rather than free updates like many apps seem to follow, new versions could be sold and then a profitable market might exist. Until all this CLoud focus, this model seemed to work.

  • By Zachary - 3:41 PM on February 4, 2013  

    This really sucks. I enjoyed working with Adobe Proto and had included it as part of my design process. As I have become more familiar with Proto, I have been eagerly awaiting the release of other Adobe apps for the iPad. The fact that Proto will no longer be developed is very disappointing. When I spent $10 on an iPad app, I assumed one created by Adobe was a safe bet for longevity and quality updates. I guess that assumption was flawed. The search for an adequate replacement begins…

  • By Fabian Gutierrez Molina - 12:50 AM on February 5, 2013  

    As a graphic designer i bought the Galaxy Note 10.1 with the S-pen. Fantastic product and the pen is super useful. I was looking forward to using Ideas in combination with the S-pen, and unaware of the decision of adobe pulling Ideas out of the android market. So I’m really disappointed. Within the S-note application there is enough freedom to sketch around and even do collages to develop concepts, so for now this it will do great. But I regret that i don’t have a vector-based sketch tool on this great tablet. Hope Adobe comes with new touchapps soon. Would even be cool if you could develop a S-pen touchapp.

  • By Chris - 7:57 AM on February 5, 2013  

    Damn, I was really looking forward for Adobe Proto on Windows 8 tablets. Any chance you will be making a touch app that would be similar to what Proto does in the future?

  • By Daniel descamps - 8:08 PM on February 10, 2013  

    Intéressant

  • By Leon - 11:18 AM on February 12, 2013  

    Just getting onto the train that Adobe killed a lot of the mobile apps… sigh I need to do a backup of my apk and ipa files so I don’t LOSE AND NEVER recover my mobile apps, even if they are not supported i love them and I paid good money for them. Its really stupid to take them out of the markets… leave them there for 2 or 3 years with the warning that they are not supported anymore… but let the people decide if they are worth or not and still download them in new devices.

  • By Randy - 3:03 PM on February 12, 2013  

    This is really the worst yet coming from Adobe, first the idea of a subscription, now this???!!!

    I mean really. was it necessary, REALLY?! The Proto app needed an update to make it more useful. But instead you kill it?

    STOP SELLING HALLOW DREAMS!

    You can keep your pipe dreams and shallow product, I am looking for other software to do the things I need! and that believe in their product!!

    Adobe YOU SUCK! BIG TIME!

  • By Bjoern Frost - 11:31 AM on February 13, 2013  

    Is there an alternative to Debut on iOS? Now that it never will come? I really need this feature, and might consider ditching Adobe all in total. Using CS6 now, but it’s been going downhill over the last couple of CS’s.

  • By Denialhogg - 3:14 AM on February 16, 2013  

    Not a bad, its good to updating and connecting with us through the forums. You are doing good job so don’t try to stop it keep it up….! http://www.nowwhatstudio.com/social-media-marketing-atlanta/

  • By Pat Heffernan - 6:27 AM on February 17, 2013  

    This was such a sudden decision, and although I can understand Adobe’s decision to change focus and no longer support certain apps, I cannot understand why no choices are offered to your customers.

    With full disclosure on your part that it’s no longer supported, why can’t I still have the choice to download and work with Proto?

    Proto is my primary motivation for using the Creative Cloud. I tried the U.S. store, Portugal and Norway without success. Others may have other app priorities, but also have no alternative choices. Please Adobe team, reconsider listening to your customers’ voices and at least offer us some alternative ways to obtain these abandoned apps.

  • By Rod Pickett - 3:59 AM on February 22, 2013  

    You indicate that we should go to the forums for support. I have questions posted 5 months and 4 months ago without a single reply. These were simple questions about the specifications of the program and how to use it.

    What is the plan for Adobe to refund us our money for apps that were in the process of development and purchased not for their present capabilities but promised capabilities? They never did function effectively as advertised by Adobe.

    Furthermore, I would never know about Adobe’s decision if I hadn’t been scrounging around looking for any information about these poorly implemented apps.

    I don’t see how Adobe can keep our money in good faith and with a clear conscience.

  • By Gert den Heijer - 2:01 AM on February 24, 2013  

    hmmm, i just bought a new tablet because of an article i read about proto: such a great idea: mock-up on my tablet while in a meeting with a customer and syncing to Dreamweaver afterwards to work it all out.

    EXTREMELY dissapointed not being able to download the app? I thought Adobe would take more effort in developing touch based tools… I would really pay for these kind of tools.

  • By Jonny - 9:32 AM on February 24, 2013  

    How embarrassing! IFX (2/13) just named Adobe Collage one of their top ten must have art apps for tablets. Sounds like a great program. Pity Adobe gave up on it and too many other touch apps before their full potential was realized.

    PS and AI remain desktop standards for so much in digital graphics. But the tablets are catching up. Will Adobe be able to retain its significant edge in the market if it so bungles its touch screen apps? I don’t think so…

  • By Zoltán Szalay - 2:12 PM on February 24, 2013  

    Does’t fit in my head what’s the point to delete something from the appstore that makes any amount of money. It was out already done and out there. Adobe could work on Proto v2 in the background. It wouldn’t hurt anybody. I wanted to buy and try Proto at this moment and i can’t.

  • By Joel Barger - 9:06 AM on February 25, 2013  

    Not sure who is making decisions at Adobe in regards to the android platform but to discontinue Ideas for Android was a bad move. I purchased an android tablet 10.1 with the stylus and love it. Unfortunately theres no Ideas (illustrator) for it. Someone is going to come in and make an alternative soon and if Adobe doesn’t do anything about it you’re going to lose this platform.

  • By Ricky - 5:47 AM on March 8, 2013  

    Apple won’t refund me the money I paid for Proto. Their excuse is that the app is too old.

    I can’t download it again, they’re telling me to restore from a backup. Which I don’t have.

    A joke.

    I see class action motions over this.

  • By Jean-Baptiste de Borman - 11:01 AM on March 8, 2013  

    Same as Joel. I just bought my Samsung Note and discovered Ideas was not there anymore. Adobe, are you mad ?

  • By Elizabeth Burden - 4:17 PM on March 14, 2013  

    I am disappointed that you are discontinuing Proto. Very useful tool for quickly mocking up a site.

  • By Oliver Schaub - 8:17 AM on March 18, 2013  

    This is a Joke, no?
    I PAYD for Kuler, Proto and Collage… CHF 10.- EACH. And now they just disappeard from the play-Store.
    I switched to a new Tablet and now I can’t install my PAYD Applications anymore? You gotta be kidding, Adobe.

  • By Steve - 8:26 AM on March 19, 2013  

    I can live with out Collage or Proto,…. but ideas is hands down my favourite app on my ipad. So no taking that one away!

  • By Anthony Hanson - 10:40 AM on March 19, 2013  

    I don’t really understand why Adobe is so happy to do business with a company like Apple but seems somewhat reluctant to do business with Google. Didn’t Apple kick the bucket on Flash well before Android? Jobs died and so soon will Apple after the 1950′s management team that currently runs it is out of the ideas he left behind. Mountain Lion is the most buggy OSX yet and IOS is terrible and extremely limited (limited only so they can keep slowly rolling out features they created when Jobs was still around). Further evidence of this is that the only truely new software features they’ve made have largely failed (ie the unnecessary Apple Maps, should have gone to Nokia for that one Apple). The Android platform is much more open and therefore more capable of advancements by third party developers. I hope Adobe develops a good host of Android apps soon. The cost of Apple products is way too high especially considering how little they pay to manufacture them, and the products aren’t any better anymore and Samsung offers twice as long of a warranty.

  • By Pat - 4:24 PM on March 21, 2013  

    Wow. Just stumbling across this announcement. After a fruitless search for a vector drawing app for my Nexus 7 in Google Play I came across an article from last Nov: “Adobe announced they would be releasing a suite of tablet-optimized versions of their popular graphic design and photo editing tools.”

    Super, but there was nothing in Google Play. Where did all these greats apps go?? Am I typing in “Proto” correctly??

    I don’t work like most people. I want to sketch an idea just before I go to sleep, right there in bed. I want to lay down a quick idea for a webpage while I am waiting at the doctor’s office. I don’t want to slug downstairs in the middle of the night to turn on the computer. Making little sketches on post it notes is annoying because they can’t be pulled into DW as files.

    Wasn’t this the concept behind small tablet devices? Letting the muse catch us wherever we are and making it just permanent enough to finish up on the desktop?

    It seems like Adobe may be trying to think up some other way to make money out of us and these cheap little apps were too powerful for our creative juices. Who would ever want to go back to sitting at a computer to develop if you could do it anywhere?

    Adobe, this was an “IBM moment” for you.

  • By Tim - 5:07 AM on March 27, 2013  

    I also don’t understand such a decision. I am still using Proto, it’s a great tool that saves me time. And I am willing to pay for any upgrades to make it more stable.

    The message I get from this is to not jump on new releases too soon. Adobe will have a hard time convincing me to purchase new products and upgrades. I am definitely going to just wait and see for a year or so.
    Hell, I just told a photographer who’s still using Photoshop CS2 that he’s perfectly right to stick to what works. And I used to be all excited about new upgrades.

    Dissapointed. Hugely.

  • By Paul F - 1:33 PM on March 27, 2013  

    OK, so Adobe released most of the Touch apps exclusively on Android, despite two obvious factors that they must have known would severely limit adoption:

    1) Most people who own a tablet own an iPad. Though Android has been steadily chipping away at the iPad’s market dominance, there are still vastly more iPads in use than Android tablets (and Android fork tablets like the Fire and Nook are not “pure” Android, and hence will not run all the same apps, despite being often counted in the Android numbers). In addition, I would wager that designers and other creative professionals, who are a significant part of Adobe’s audience, lean heavily toward the iPad. This may not be true in five years, but that doesn’t matter if Adobe is thinking so short-term that they would shut down these apps after less than a year on the market.

    2) Relative to iOS users, Android users don’t spend much money on apps. iOS still owns the vast majority of revenue from apps, and iOS users spend much more per user than Android users on the whole. $10 per app is arguably a hard sell anyway, but on Android, it’s a non-starter. I’m sure business users would be much more inclined to spend $10 on an app than consumers, but it still stands that the culture of iOS vs. Android apps is very much paid vs. free.

    Given those factors, is anyone surprised sales were underwhelming? The sad part is that Adobe will never really know what the market for these apps may have been, since it never made them available to most of the market.

  • By rob - 9:01 AM on March 28, 2013  

    I originally bought my tablet so I could use these cool apps on. I paid in full for all of them and was disappointed with Adobe Ideas at first. It looks awesome now on Ipad, but I can’t have that on my android, even though I paid the same! Really annoying!

  • By Mark - 11:56 AM on March 28, 2013  

    Geez. Just saw this as I once again searched on Adobe debut for ios and now I find it and many others I was excited about are canceled? This direction was a huge influencer for me in buying an ipad and joining the creative cloud, as the tie in for discussing portfolios, client projects, etc. would have been total synchronicity. Not sure what this means for me in terms of the creative cloud for the future, as it has not measured up in general to all of the original hype, only more revenue for Adobe, not the least of which is all the money they took from us in hype on touch apps only to dump.

    Adobe, in light of this, I’m thinking you need to make the initial discounted price for creative suite, the permanent price. Let’s face it, most of us barely even scratch the surface by using 2 or 3 products heavily. That makes for a hefty yearly cost just to “have access” to the others and the “amazing updates” to the ones we do use. I’m thinking you’ve duped your client base and will have major backlash. Not happy!

  • By J - 7:46 PM on April 1, 2013  

    Ok this is the straw that broke the camels back. I have been a flash developer since flash 4 and still think its one of the best platforms. I have purchased my fair share of creative suites. I even created a few iOS well preforming apps with adobe air. Adobe’s problem isn’t its technology. It has a perception problem. Do they over charge for some of their software sure but, you can do that when your better at something or at least perceived as better. I used to be an advocate for adobe. I used to recommend their products to my clients and had been successful along the way even when flash wasn’t popular. Today I’m officially ending my relationship with your company. I’m selling any stock I have left with your company and will no longer be purchasing your products (ok maybe the occasional photoshop unless your management decides that photoshop shouldn’t be sold or supported any more). How can I buy software from a company that does things like this. What makes your management think its ok to do this (and yes I understand it was probably a myopic fiscal one). I will no longer advocate for you any more. Keep your $9 I paid for adobe proto you won’t be getting any more money from me or, the people I work with. It’s a sad day when you just can’t trust a company that used to be one of the most respected in the business. The only good thing is you’ve now created an opportunity for someone else to fill the vacancy. Good bye and good luck Adobe. You will need to earn my respect back to get me back as a customer.

  • By Pieter - 8:45 PM on April 3, 2013  

    The premium price point to which these apps were presented and extremely short lifespan obviously makes customers reluctant to buy into any next attempt as early adopters. This strategy of paid beta testing might have worked years ago (Macromedia was notorious for releasing buggy software upgrades at high cost) but doesn’t fit the current software landscape.

  • By Herlency - 12:49 PM on April 15, 2013  

    Where I can buy adobe proto for android tablet?

  • By Frustrated - 8:56 PM on April 16, 2013  

    Where can I get a refund for the apps purchased? There should be some legal ramifications.

  • By E. Wyngowski - 9:11 AM on April 25, 2013  

    did you stop allowing creative cloud support from the touch apps that were discontinued?

  • By Robb - 12:56 PM on April 25, 2013  

    Pathetic, so now when I have to restore my iPad from iCloud I cannot get Proto, and have no alternative backup. Having spent good money on Adobe software, and a lot of it I might add, I am sorely disappointed and personally question the legality of pulling it from the App Store considering that technically I own it but cannot access it. Poor show Adobe.

  • By Mando haro - 2:07 PM on May 4, 2013  

    I love adobe ideas. Don’t even mind the single layer. I just uploaded all my work thru the cloud and colored it in using illustrator. But…..tried uploading my most recent work from adobe idea thru the cloud. Said upload successful but doesn’t show my file in the creative cloud. I even paid 30 dollars to upgrade since the cloud trial was over. So are we not able to upload to creative cloud anymore? If so this is complete bullshit. I was lucky enough to get adobe ideas when available and now have a useless program where I can’t even save my work… Seriously adobe? Why you treating all us android users like shit. I refuse to buy ipod to just use adobe ideas.

  • By Harry Reisenleiter - 9:17 AM on May 7, 2013  

    I am truly disappointed with the subscription approach. I’ve used Photoshop since it was Mac only, and have upgraded through CS5 and I was planning (since I have had to save up for a long time) to upgrade to CS6.

    I’m retired, an avid photographer, and Photoshop is absolutely my key tool. Now, the subscription approach will make Photoshop go beyond my ability to afford it. I guess CS5 is my last Photoshop version. There is no way I can afford to keep up on my fixed, and limited. income.

    Adobe – I’m disappointed that you are leaving me behind. I can’t be alone in this.

    Harry

  • By Duncan Hoge - 10:30 AM on May 9, 2013  

    I’m confused. After watching MAX and getting hyped about Creative Cloud’s ability to take me away from my computer, I subscribed, thinking I’d get access to all these wonderful apps and could completely reconfigure my workflow. Turns out, even though these apps still show up on the Creative Cloud site, they are unsupported and unavailable in the market. I’m baffled by Adobe’s strategy here. This undermines everything that made Creative Cloud worth having. I can understand if Adobe is whipping out some great new mobile apps (like that Mighty thing they were showing at MAX), but leave what works intact, and upgrade it! Lucky I’m still in the first 30 days, maybe I’ll hang onto CS5 until Adobe catches up with its own announcements. As someone said earlier: stop selling hollow dreams.

  • By David Vera - 5:51 PM on May 21, 2013  

    I need a redownload link or refund asap. I bought adobe proto and now i need it.. Give respect to customers! djdavidvera@mac.com was the account I used to buy the app

  • By Rob - 6:04 AM on May 30, 2013  

    Im really disappointed, guess that’s what i get for buying all the digital apps and expecting them on my next android tablet. I used the heck out of ideas on my android tablet! It was by far the best illustration program on a tablet to date. And proto and kuler were incredibly useful too!

  • By Dan - 10:24 PM on June 18, 2013  

    I want a refund for Collage and Pronto. Buying no more Adobe Touch apps.

  • By Joe West - 10:55 PM on July 14, 2013  

    If my apps i ought aren’t in in my App store anymore to download to my devices i want a refund for all the ones I bought but are gone now. Answer me that. where is my refund?

  • By Silas - 12:47 PM on July 16, 2013  

    You really caused me a lot of problem by discontinuing Proto.. I was left with a dozen sketches on my tablet, no way to upload them to the cloud, and your support team would not assist me in manually locating the files.

    You effectively rendered a good 30 hours of my time worthless. I seriously question that Adobe cannot support and develop apps at the same time. It is just that you do not want to support the apps, you made a strategic decision you would lose more money supporting apps then the business loss from not supporting apps.

    Maybe you are right, but this will keep me from having my company rely on the use of any sort of Adobe Applications in the future.

  • By PBSmits - 3:49 AM on July 19, 2013  

    Not so long ago I purchased Proto. This is a bad move and a serious issue to quit with Adobe software. I need suppliers I can trust!