January 26, 2009

Pirated Photoshop carries badness

Mac trojan horse discovered in pirated Photoshop,” reports Macworld.  Yeah, well, what can I say?  I’m just mentioning it an an FYI (and so that everyone can stop sending me variations on the link ;-)).

Posted by John Nack at 10:18 PM on January 26, 2009


  • Steve Jobs — 11:05 PM on January 26, 2009

    A trojan is NO VIRUS.

  • Rosyna — 12:40 AM on January 27, 2009

    Well….. “did you do it?” is what I think everyone wants to know.
    [Is that a serious question? Are you asking whether Adobe, the huge multi-billion-dollar, risk-averse corporation, devised and then surreptitiously released a privacy-violating trojan, apparently for the purpose of then monitoring/controlling tens of thousands of computers? That’s what you’re asking? –J.]

  • Tom — 3:34 AM on January 27, 2009

    Good. If you don’t use pirate s/w you have nothing to worry about, but this strikes me as being odd for a reasonable news outlet:
    “Mac users concerned about this issue are advised to install and run security software to protect themselves.”

  • dd — 1:40 PM on January 27, 2009

    here’s another link, i believe everyone will be sending you :)
    damn.. i could pay double if adobe just suddenly started to CARE like that :o
    [Yes, it must all be a lack of caring. (Bonus point if you can work in “laziness” and/or “greed.”)
    Implementing features like more flexible window resizing is obviously EVIL, because Apple doesn’t do it in Finder. Oh, wait, Apple does it in their pro apps. Shit, this is really confusing… It’s evil because Adobe does it, and because Adobe isn’t Apple. –J.]
    (that doesn’t mean you should try even harder to replicate native ui in flash. all that uni-platform concept is cool, however it’ll always have more tradeoffs than real enhancements worth such pain..)
    [It’s our job to demonstrate that you’re mistaken. (And by the way, does a shitty Cocoa app mean that Cocoa is crap? Of course not. So don’t throw out the baby with the bath water here. –J.]
    i don’t want adobe-os. really, pleaaase..

  • Rob Moir — 2:37 PM on January 27, 2009

    Awesome. Some group of deviants has managed to skewer the “piracy isn’t evil, honest” and “macs are secure because of magic” myths all in one go.

  • dd — 3:47 PM on January 27, 2009

    >> Implementing features like more flexible window resizing is obviously EVIL, because Apple doesn’t do it in Finder. Oh, wait, Apple does it in their pro apps. Shit, this is really confusing… It’s evil because Adobe does it, and because Adobe isn’t Apple.
    please, let’s put away that poor argument “apple made some crap too so why can’t we?”.
    [That isn’t my argument at all–never has been. What Apple has done isn’t crap; nor is what Adobe has done. You may or may not find it useful, but that doesn’t make it crap. (And, of course, the day Apple puts this support into the OS, every vendor who doesn’t support it will instantly be “crap.”) –J.]
    yes- apple has done lots of strange and poor decisions also (but for such- i report to apple directly and at least they doesn’t answer that “adobe is even worse” :)
    getting back to the point – “more flexible window resizing” actually doesn’t matter at all imho (i work with both mac, win and- i just adapted to each rules and never expect yet another “third-way” tricks – or they hang my workflow and forces to rethink interactions since they differ from “standard” way..
    [You’re not forced to do anything. The capability is there, and you can use it or not use it. It doesn’t change the app’s visuals, nor does it prevent you from doing anything. –J.]
    idealistic, non os dependent and similar behaving “future adobe app” just wouldn’t _ever_ exist unless..YOU’RE NOT THINKING OF MAKING SHORTCUTS IN CS-next-next TO BECOME REALLY SIMILAR, ARE YOU???- i’m talking about re-educating mac users so they would also save with ‘ctrl+s’ finally)..
    [Of course not. As I’ve written, we try to strike a balance between OS conventions & cross-platform consistency. –J.]
    so i’d just prefer your time and energy spent into more useful things than fighting native-os features or at least questioning why something couldn’t work differently. later if someday apple will make more flexible window resizing in it’s os all wide – your way once again will work “wrong” since you’re solving such issues just in your sandbox/suite level..
    [So, in the meantime, we should sit around just waiting on Apple. –J.]
    nevermind resizes- you implemented unified tabbed container workflow which broke mac windows management and expose
    [Nothing is broken: you can choose not to use tabs if you don’t want them. –J.]
    – and the argument is – “apple safari doesn’t show tabs in expose too”!
    [The point is that Exposé can’t provide the functionality you’re looking for. Hopefully Apple will add that support, but in the meantime it’s not something we can do for them. –J.]
    (again- lets not go rounds back on discussion what’s window, document, library, etc and how users expect to work with all that). thanks for at least leaving option to disable this. but- i haven’t ever seen any professional user working hours with adobe apps _on mac_ and thanking you for this new “improvement”.
    extension manager, thermo project, your installers, etc- all this crossplatform identical interface, similar interactions, etc makes work way more easier for _you_ but not for your users
    [I’m not a fan of every UI decision at Adobe, by any stretch. The cross-platform consistency *does* matter, however, as a significant percentage of Adobe customers use the software on both OSes. –J.]
    (please- don’t think i’m saying any of these stuff is irrelevant – they just should “behave” a bit more “expectable” in a “place where they work” if you want more praises and less bad words).
    >> And by the way, does a shitty Cocoa app mean that Cocoa is crap? Of course not.
    never said so too. i do lots of flash developer myself and really think this technology is awesome- pixelbender, hardware acceleration, actionscript – really nice achievements – congrats and thanks for good work. however pushing flash to simulate native ui controls in a way regular user wouldn’t find difference and hoping someday it will finally be pixel-perfect…. do you really see the point in spending so much time for this “re-invention of the wheel”?
    [Everything has pros and cons. Making it as easy as possible to develop extensions for Adobe apps, and broadening the places those can run, translates into more power and flexibility for customers. Flash is a good way to get there. –J.]
    i can’t understand what’s so wrong or complicated with having your apps ui extended by _real_ os widgets –
    [Native widgets can’t necessarily do everything customers would like. Do Mac widgets support variable brightness, for example? Here’s Adobe getting beaten up for the fact that native Mac widgets don’t change color in accordance with the panel background color. So, should Adobe not support variable background color until such time as Apple decides to improve widgets? –J.]
    you have parts of that in photoshop scripting for a few versions already. why couldn’t you just expand support for additional os widgets and just use javascript and/or your own scripting language for bindings and functionality developments?
    thanks for listening.

  • JonPad — 7:37 PM on January 27, 2009

    Hey John!
    What I need to know, is how did this news break?
    Did Adobe get emails? “…this pirated software I got makes my computer act funny. I hate you!”
    Kinda reminds me of the news stories where the drug dealer goes to the cops and tells them he got robbed.

  • Phillip Kerman — 8:07 PM on January 27, 2009

    I think “dd” has at least one important or valid point–and question: is this re-working of OS level stuff okay or a problem or need to get improved.
    I see it in many places and as soon as I find a tiny subtle difference it does weird me out.
    Take for example, the fact that all CS4 products do not support the feature (which used to be universal in all Windows apps), namely: cram the mouse up to the top left of a maximized app and double click to quit. Snagit doesn’t do this anymore either–they have attempted to mimmick Office 07’s “ribbon” and it’s even worse than CS4 (because you can’t even back off from the very top left and double-click).
    This is just one example and it definitely slows me down–well, a good 500 milliseconds once or twice a day–but multiply that out and I’d say the new UI fails to offer me ANYTHING in exchange for this. That is, there’s nothing “better” there. I really think when just jacking with the OS happens the software company needs to answer whether it makes sense and whether it improves something notably.
    As to your main point–yeah, trojans. I seriously doubt anyone at Adobe did this… that totally doesn’t make sense.

  • Igor Levicki — 6:45 PM on March 16, 2009

    When you are talking about UI features here let me add that Lightroom use of a Tab key is mighty annoying for users who use Alt+Tab in Windows.
    ightroom sometimes catches the Tab key from the Alt+Tab combo and shows/hides left and right panel. If you keep one of the tabs open and the other one closed that means you will need to click one of them to get them back to the state in which they were before.

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